scotty Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Is that a think coming from Racetec or the event organisers themselves?What motive would a race organizer have by strictly enforcing the no chip no ride rule, surely this would chase away riders who would have entered (paid) but don't necessary want to be timed.
hayleyearth Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Is that Racetec or the race organizers or a combination I wonder? snap...Yip, it took me 8min to type my reply.........
Belgarath Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Me (trolling the interwebs): this looks like a cool race. Haven't raced in that part of Gauteng yet. Let's do this Website: You need a timing chip from TheManCompany. Please pay 1 MiLLyOn DoLLars. Me: Screw you. Also, the different seeding thingies. I have a good seeding with SASeeding. Did my first 94.7, got kicked back to the second last Open group. My mate is doing his 1st CYCLE RACE EVER, he starts in like group D. He's an ultra marathon runner though, but still?
Patchelicious Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 What motive would a race organizer have by strictly enforcing the no chip no ride rule, surely this would chase away riders who would have entered (paid) but don't necessary want to be timed. Short answer... data Both the organisers and Racetec want the data. There is massive value in understanding the demographics and numbers of your race particpants. All your info is linked to your chip.
hayleyearth Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 What motive would a race organizer have by strictly enforcing the no chip no ride rule, surely this would chase away riders who would have entered (paid) but don't necessary want to be timed. To have bragging rights......"the biggest timed event in the world"... *and we all go ...hooooooooo*
Hennie VR Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Can't believe people complain about little stuff like this. With the amount you spend on cycling will a R150 chip that you can use for years really hurt your pocket? I've had my Champion Chip for 13 years now. RaceTech chip for 13 Years and my SA Seeding board since 2012. I have done countless races with them and their cost has never bothered me. If you don't want to buy a chip, don't do the race.
Skubarra Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 On the whole competition vs standardised discussion. Racetec is really expensive for smaller event organisers to use, which is wrong imo because lets face it, it's not exactly new technology, it's essentially the same system they had 5 years ago when I started cycling. It would be interesting to see what happens in future as timing technology improves & gets more affordable and catches up with Racetec, my gut feel is that that Racetec will wake up one day and find their expensive system & business model obsolute.
Barend de Arend Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Short answer... data Both the organisers and Racetec want the data. There is massive value in understanding the demographics and numbers of your race particpants. All your info is linked to your chip. I do a bunch of races that don't even use a timing chip.
Barend de Arend Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Also, the different seeding thingies. I have a good seeding with SASeeding. Did my first 94.7, got kicked back to the second last Open group. My mate is doing his 1st CYCLE RACE EVER, he starts in like group D. He's an ultra marathon runner though, but still? Ideally the seeding isn't linked to a chip, it's linked to your results in similar races. Way, way to much of a power struggle in a tiny pond.
Patchelicious Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Can't believe people complain about little stuff like this. With the amount you spend on cycling will a R150 chip that you can use for years really hurt your pocket? I've had my Champion Chip for 13 years now. RaceTech chip for 13 Years and my SA Seeding board since 2012. I have done countless races with them and their cost has never bothered me. If you don't want to buy a chip, don't do the race.It is not really about the costs of a chip, because as you say the costs is so small and it last forever. I spend more on car guards in a month that I have on the timing chips that I have. It is more about having your results counting towards a centralized seeding table. On the whole competition vs standardised discussion. Racetec is really expensive for smaller event organisers to use, which is wrong imo because lets face it, it's not exactly new technology, it's essentially the same system they had 5 years ago when I started cycling. It would be interesting to see what happens in future as timing technology improves & gets more affordable and catches up with Racetec, my gut feel is that that Racetec will wake up one day and find their expensive system & business model obsolute.They will you are right but if they have all the historic race results data, they will just move to generating revenue from that....
Hennie VR Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 If you want to talk about seeding databases that is a whole different story.I do believe we need a national database for seeding. One for mountain biking events and another for road events.
raptor-22 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Not too fussed about the timing chip but having one central body co-ordinating your national seeding would be great. Shouldn't that be the CSA? PPA has a monopoly on Racetec so other event users can't use their timing system and database.SASeeding seems to be the only nationl seeding system at the moment and I like the fact you have a permanent number.TRail Tag is not just a timing chip but also potentially an access mechanism for trails in the western cape. But which chip to rule them all? STRAVA
Hennie VR Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 It is not really about the costs of a chip, because as you say the costs is so small and it last forever. I spend more on car guards in a month that I have on the timing chips that I have. It is more about having your results counting towards a centralized seeding table. Ah ok. The way I read his rant I thought it's about the cost of another chip. I totally agree on having a centralized national database and all the timing companies have to submit their data to that database. MTB and Road will have to be split though.
Skubarra Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 They will you are right but if they have all the historic race results data, they will just move to generating revenue from that.... That historic data will probably be worth something for another year, maybe 2? Point is just, in the world of technology you can become irrelevant overnight - few years ago Racetec were offering benefits no one else could, not anymore.
Patchelicious Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Ah ok. The way I read his rant I thought it's about the cost of another chip. I totally agree on having a centralized national database and all the timing companies have to submit their data to that database. MTB and Road will have to be split though. It probably was, but it wasnt a well thought out rant, so it got hijacked for the greater good
raptor-22 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 MTB and Road will have to be split though. Nope. The beauty of Racetecis that both contribute to your racetec seeding so you can compete in whatever you like and still have it count toward Argust
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