What is the most efficient dualies?

[MORNE]

The sweet spot with 2.35 (schwalbe) to 2.5 (Maxxis) tyres is between 30 & 35mm. Any wider than that yields diminishing returns unless you go to 2.6/2.8 and then your existing frame and fork won't accept that.

 

Maxxis 2.5 is the same width as schwalbe 2.35

 

and Conti 2.4 is about 2.5 actual almost lol. funny how manufacturer casing sizes differ. The conti trail kings I got on the 26" LTHT im busy building effectively turn the bike into 650b wheelsize thats how high volume they are. They look like fatbike tires lol. well compared to the 2.5 minion DHF's i have too.

[MORNE]

talking about efficient squishy bikes...i was surprised to see Mike Posthumus on his soft-tail going up Tokai mast climb in the last Allride episode. Surely someone like him would smash his own time going up there on a HT?. i know it was a casual challenge so to speak but even with rear lockout on a squishy...it is not the same as the punch you get from a HT.

 

[Me rida my bicycle]

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.......... 

 

Get a new riding partner   

I just built him a similar bike to mine should have filled the frame with sand or led.????

[Me rida my bicycle]

talking about efficient squishy bikes...i was surprised to see Mike Posthumus on his soft-tail going up Tokai mast climb in the last Allride episode. Surely someone like him would smash his own time going up there on a HT?. i know it was a casual challenge so to speak but even with rear lockout on a squishy...it is not the same as the punch you get from a HT.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLRaYEKbQa4&t=1s

I actually bought 1 of his (Mike P) FSI last year that thing was crazy light well under 9kg but could not get a shorter stem than 90mm so we had to part ways.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

and Conti 2.4 is about 2.5 actual almost lol. funny how manufacturer casing sizes differ. The conti trail kings I got on the 26" LTHT im busy building effectively turn the bike into 650b wheelsize thats how high volume they are. They look like fatbike tires lol. well compared to the 2.5 minion DHF's i have too.

Took Conti a while to get that memo tho. Old 2.4's were like a 2.2

[arendoog]

I also ride a tallboy and a rocky element .My HT is a highball and my weight is also 100kg .I put the strongest widest rear tyre on the HT that i could find and rode it at 1.7 bar .Still love riding it this way .The rocky is optimized for uneven climbing and is very efficient in that way .Santa Cruz blur or tallboy are both such good all round bikes .The Spez bikes are probably also efficient ,but why have a dualy if you lock it out for climbing 

[MORNE]

apparently the "made in germany" ones run big and the "made in taiwan" one's run small.

the ones on my bike are the German black-chilli-apex/protection versions and they are UBER alles 2.4

[Grease_Monkey]

A hardtail may be more efficient km for km up a hill, but when you take into account rider fatigue caused by riding a hardtail, the extra traction up rocky climbs given by having a rear shock this traslates to a more efficient ride on a dual suspension bike for most people.

 

I have an XC hardtail as well as a dual suspension trail bike with heavy Enduro tyres and burly components - yes, the hardtail is faster up a hill, but after 3 or 4 hours on the bike when I am tired and lazy with form I'll take the trail bike any day - and on top of that I am fresher on the trail bike because I have saved a bunch of energy on the descents.

 

The point I'm trying to make - I think a dual suspension XC bike will probably be an overall (descents, climbs, techy bits) more efficient bike than an XC hardtail for most riders, given that most riders do not have the best form and do not always choose the best lines.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

^^this

[Me rida my bicycle]

Thanks guys for all the feedback I fitted wider rims so there's more air comfort is sweet even managed to drop a couple hundred grams in the process so it's even more efficient and comfortable was a win win