Edition 507 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Sorry to say but two podiums, albeit no wins, in six years is not going to set the cycling world alight.Bra, you gotta produce the goods, wanting to be the best and thinking you are the best is not going to cut it. Like all endurance sports, good genetics predetermines your success. Get your VO2 max and W/kg tested by any decent coach and they will be able to tell you if you will be wasting your time or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaGearA Posted March 1, 2019 Share Sorry to say but two podiums, albeit no wins, in six years is not going to set the cycling world alight.Bra, you gotta produce the goods, wanting to be the best and thinking you are the best is not going to cut it. Like all endurance sports, good genetics predetermines your success. Get your VO2 max and W/kg tested by any decent coach and they will be able to tell you if you will be wasting your time or not.THIS is the brutal truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MudLark Posted March 1, 2019 Share Piet Pompies going from a 5hr to a 4hr Argus. That gives me and you satisfaction of a team work job well done. Hey easy does it. My trainer has me on the bike 6/7 days a week. And I give it all I've got. But I'm ALWAYS going to be Piet Pompies... Dirkitech 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted March 1, 2019 Share OP, not sure if I missed this .... but how old are you now?http://results.racetec.co.za/results_by_person.aspx?PID=355004 he was last u23 in 2015so 26/27 now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringbean Posted March 1, 2019 Share OP, not sure if I missed this .... but how old are you now?Too old but no one wants to tell him that. Hairy, pista and ChrisF 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydude Posted March 1, 2019 Share Sorry to say but two podiums, albeit no wins, in six years is not going to set the cycling world alight.Bra, you gotta produce the goods, wanting to be the best and thinking you are the best is not going to cut it. Like all endurance sports, good genetics predetermines your success. Get your VO2 max and W/kg tested by any decent coach and they will be able to tell you if you will be wasting your time or not.In the real worldBut it’s not always so predictable. When the T-Mobile squad gathered at the start of 2007 one of the first tasks was an effort test to measure the fitness of all the riders. Having tested all the riders, one stood out thanks to relatively poor results, a neo-pro called Mark Cavendish. The trainer had words with the young rider, saying he doubted whether the rider was good enough for the Pro Tour. Certainly the lab test doesn’t account for aerodynamics, a low position on the bike means less watts. Indeed today Cavendish puts out fewer watts than team mates Renshaw and Eisel, by a substantial margin yet he is probably the fastest rider going. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk pista 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted March 1, 2019 Share Seems the average pro is 27. 7 years old http://inrng.com/2013/01/2013-pro-age-nationality-stats/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pista Posted March 1, 2019 Share yet he is probably the fastest rider going. Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkOnly if he manages to actually stay on his bike[emoji41] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edition 507 Posted March 1, 2019 Share In the real worldBut it’s not always so predictable. When the T-Mobile squad gathered at the start of 2007 one of the first tasks was an effort test to measure the fitness of all the riders. Having tested all the riders, one stood out thanks to relatively poor results, a neo-pro called Mark Cavendish. The trainer had words with the young rider, saying he doubted whether the rider was good enough for the Pro Tour. Certainly the lab test doesn’t account for aerodynamics, a low position on the bike means less watts. Indeed today Cavendish puts out fewer watts than team mates Renshaw and Eisel, by a substantial margin yet he is probably the fastest rider going. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalkandydude we have moved on in technology over the past 12 years and can measure climbing and stage winning performances. If you can't push 6W/kg for 30 mins on a climb or manage 1500W and upwards at the end of a stage sprint then you are not going to win anything on the pro tour. These are the figures, these are the facts, there is no more guessing required.Cavendish is not a ninja space alien that can defy science, so clearly the trainer was a bit of a pessimist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydude Posted March 2, 2019 Share andydude we have moved on in technology over the past 12 years and can measure climbing and stage winning performances. If you can't push 6W/kg for 30 mins on a climb or manage 1500W and upwards at the end of a stage sprint then you are not going to win anything on the pro tour. These are the figures, these are the facts, there is no more guessing required.Cavendish is not a ninja space alien that can defy science, so clearly the trainer was a bit of a pessimist.How much power does Caleb Ewan produce in a sprint compared to Andre Greipel? Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edition 507 Posted March 3, 2019 Share How much power does Caleb Ewan produce in a sprint compared to Andre Greipel? Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Some max output figures from the top sprinters in wins at the end of a tour stage: Sagan 1500W Cavendish 1500WGriepel 1900W max and 1,000W for 30 seconds.Kittel 1900W Ewan 1000W in his bullet sprint position (max 1650W in training)(Chris Hoy has hit 2500W but on a track) Ewan's power is quite down on the others but he is small and very aero which is advantageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydude Posted March 3, 2019 Share Some max output figures from the top sprinters in wins at the end of a tour stage: Sagan 1500W Cavendish 1500WGriepel 1900W max and 1,000W for 30 seconds.Kittel 1900W Ewan 1000W in his bullet sprint position (max 1650W in training)(Chris Hoy has hit 2500W but on a track) Ewan's power is quite down on the others but he is small and very aero which is advantageous.Exactly. You are making my point. Absolute watts for a sprinter is not the end all. Interesting stats at the recent UAE Tour stage 7! Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaGearA Posted March 3, 2019 Share Exactly. You are making my point. Absolute watts for a sprinter is not the end all.Interesting stats at the recent UAE Tour stage 7!Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkGet normalized power Ave power is for amateurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted March 4, 2019 Share Oh dear, here we go.... Exceptions like Mark and Caleb are fodder for the naive. Mark would not have become a neo pro if he only had 2 podiums in 5 years of amateur racing. As inspiring as exceptional cases can be, they should not be used to give false hope. Thousands of cyclists with good local results try and fail to make it pro. Watts are for show, results are for dough. Edited March 4, 2019 by Patchelicious pista, Duane_Bosch, Hairy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted March 4, 2019 Share Oh dear, here we go.... Watts are for show, results are for dough.Going to unashamedly steal that line, well said! Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Hairy, pista and Duane_Bosch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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