Toyota security

[Tandemuis]

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but if you drive a Toyota, have a look at this.

Toyota is stopping criminals in their tracks with new security updates - in time for festive season

https://www.news24.com/wheels/news/toyota-is-stoping-criminals-in-their-tracks-with-new-security-updates-in-time-for-festive-season-20221221

[ChrisF]

9 minutes ago, Tandemuis said:

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but if you drive a Toyota, have a look at this.

Toyota is stopping criminals in their tracks with new security updates - in time for festive season

https://www.news24.com/wheels/news/toyota-is-stoping-criminals-in-their-tracks-with-new-security-updates-in-time-for-festive-season-20221221

 

Sadly it does NOT help.

 

Long thread about this on the 4x4 forum.   A member's vehicle was stolen a day or two after the upgrade.

 

Vehicle was gone in 7 minutes.

[Tandemuis]

19 minutes ago, ChrisF said:

 

Sadly it does NOT help.

 

Long thread about this on the 4x4 forum.   A member's vehicle was stolen a day or two after the upgrade.

 

Vehicle was gone in 7 minutes.

O....M....G....

Really?

This is bad.

[dave303e]

Honestly, news24 and Businesstech are not to be taken seriously when stats are involved. Their reporters can report, but often when there is stats involved they fumble it.

Take the below article. Not one mention of vehicle population in the whole article. So the 2 best selling vehicles happen to be the most hijacked vehicles. Who could have predicted that? It is not rocket science to say yes the most cars stolen are Toyotas, but it means nothing if they are also the most popular brand in SA. No where in the article does it refer to the numbers based on hijackings / vehicle population. So your odds of being hijacked in a jaguar might be higher, but because they are just looking at total numbers no one will know. It shows the lack of statistical understanding across the board.

https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/638799/hijacking-is-on-the-rise-in-south-africa-these-are-the-cars-that-criminals-are-after/

 

Also reading the article it just seems like a bad publicity stunt- great, spend money and time working with the police to earn more profit from their clients. Rather than treating the cause at a higher level and supporting the police/army in securing the borders and ports of entry stopping stolen cars leaving SA. This security upgrade will not stop criminals, it will just force them into hijacking instead of stealing. Honestly I would prefer to come out of a mall to find my car missing because my FOB was jammed rather than have an AK in my face as I get into the car and have to engage in a bit of high speed lead swapping...

 

 

[The Ouzo]

26 minutes ago, dave303e said:

Honestly, news24 and Businesstech are not to be taken seriously when stats are involved. Their reporters can report, but often when there is stats involved they fumble it.

Take the below article. Not one mention of vehicle population in the whole article. So the 2 best selling vehicles happen to be the most hijacked vehicles. Who could have predicted that? It is not rocket science to say yes the most cars stolen are Toyotas, but it means nothing if they are also the most popular brand in SA. No where in the article does it refer to the numbers based on hijackings / vehicle population. So your odds of being hijacked in a jaguar might be higher, but because they are just looking at total numbers no one will know. It shows the lack of statistical understanding across the board.

https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/638799/hijacking-is-on-the-rise-in-south-africa-these-are-the-cars-that-criminals-are-after/

 

Also reading the article it just seems like a bad publicity stunt- great, spend money and time working with the police to earn more profit from their clients. Rather than treating the cause at a higher level and supporting the police/army in securing the borders and ports of entry stopping stolen cars leaving SA. This security upgrade will not stop criminals, it will just force them into hijacking instead of stealing. Honestly I would prefer to come out of a mall to find my car missing because my FOB was jammed rather than have an AK in my face as I get into the car and have to engage in a bit of high speed lead swapping...

 

 

Its a PR stunt.

Toyota are losing customers (not many admittedly) due to the high theft risk of their vehicles (we wont get into your stats argument, most people just believe the headlines in the news), in order to show they are aware of the problem and are trying to do something they needed to do this.

Criminals will always find a away to get your vehicle anyway.

[Frosty]

Criminals are (mostly) always ahead of the curve, and the authorities (or manufacturers in this case) are playing catch up.

[dave303e]

30 minutes ago, The Ouzo said:

Its a PR stunt.

Toyota are losing customers (not many admittedly) due to the high theft risk of their vehicles (we wont get into your stats argument, most people just believe the headlines in the news), in order to show they are aware of the problem and are trying to do something they needed to do this.

Criminals will always find a away to get your vehicle anyway.

But the reality is that the high theft risk is potentially not as bad as expected because of miss reporting of numbers. ie they could be losing sales and customers because of bad reporting. Which is my stats argument.

Take this article where there is a comparison of fatal crashes to vehicle population. They clearly identify that while the most fatal crashes involve a polo. But it is more dangerous to be in a hiace or quantam based on the fatal crashes compared to vehicle population. where 12% of fatal crashes come from 3% of vehicle population.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/motoring/features/2022-01-27-study-reveals-that-vw-polo-drivers-cause-most-fatal-crashes-in-sa/

 

Take tracker for example - "The majority of these, almost 30%, are taken across the border to neighbouring countries where syndicates are making huge profits" 

https://www.tracker.co.za/news/news-room/vehicle-crime-in-south-africa

Well if the options are staying in country, leaving country and being parted out. 30% is still not a majority in my understanding. Unless there are other things that can happen to a stolen car?

[The Ouzo]

3 minutes ago, dave303e said:

But the reality is that the high theft risk is potentially not as bad as expected because of miss reporting of numbers. ie they could be losing sales and customers because of bad reporting. Which is my stats argument.

Take this article where there is a comparison of fatal crashes to vehicle population. They clearly identify that while the most fatal crashes involve a polo. But it is more dangerous to be in a hiace or quantam based on the fatal crashes compared to vehicle population. where 12% of fatal crashes come from 3% of vehicle population.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/motoring/features/2022-01-27-study-reveals-that-vw-polo-drivers-cause-most-fatal-crashes-in-sa/

 

Take tracker for example - "The majority of these, almost 30%, are taken across the border to neighbouring countries where syndicates are making huge profits" 

https://www.tracker.co.za/news/news-room/vehicle-crime-in-south-africa

Well if the options are staying in country, leaving country and being parted out. 30% is still not a majority in my understanding. Unless there are other things that can happen to a stolen car?

You're not totally wrong, but there is another aspect to the higher theft risk. Toyota nad VW being the most popular cars means more people want them. More people wanting them means there is more chance of them being stolen.