GoLefty!! Posted August 21, 2008 Share I never had a RST so I don;t knowit that well. Does that make it good? All the hydraulic forks work well. Fox and MArzocchi feel lekker because they are open bath but that has other pitfalls.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog_ Posted August 21, 2008 Share My first bike had a RST on it . This thing also lasted for years until I decided it was time to see what is going on inside . I manager to re-assemble it but it was never the same . I still got some funny spares lying around that I tool out of it . But think of all the weight you saved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtrider Posted August 21, 2008 Share BB thats the one ! BTW those things never had such things are rebound etc , they had the dials but that was just for show ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted August 21, 2008 Share Last year, or maybe two years ago this could've been an easier depate. Read that RS and Fox are too close to call when it comes to performance, but that RS keeps that up for longer and with less TLC than Fox. And I found that to be true. Their U-Turn forks are noticably smoother through the travel and Fox's Talas. Fox's 140mm forks with 32mm lowers are quite flexy when pushed hard. But things have changed. A lot. Manitou forks are light and plenty stiff plus reliability is where it should be. DT's take over of Pace have sorted out their issues, Marzocchi have some great AM+ forks on the market, Magura has always been reliable but for '09 their forks will drop some weight to bring it in-line with some of the best out there...who else is left worth mentioning? This is great news though. This means you can go with whatever brand you prefer and still get a great fork. Viva la choice. Price and back-up service will probably be the biggest factors.Recent shopping for a fork revealed this which looks to be accurate difference acros the range:RS = R 6400Manitou = R 7600Fox = R 8500DT = R 12 500Magura = Couldn't get a price due to supplier not carrying stockMarzocchi: R 8000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted August 21, 2008 Share Must agree with Crow regarding RS vs FOX. I have had a Recon, now have a Fox F100X with Terralogik and a F100RLC. Lil' Ben has a Reba team.The Fox's I have also experienced need more TLC than RS. Having said that I am riding a Manitou Black Comp 80 on my S-works hardtail while LBB's RS was being serviced and it makes no difference to me besides that I do feel the Fox is 'smoother' ......... then again maybe I don't go fast enough to notice ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW# Posted August 21, 2008 Share What would the conversion entail and benefits be? Getting a bike (hopefully today!!!) with a Recon 351 on it. benefits, will be upgrading to duel air. If you live in CT, I know a shop who does the conversions in milnerton.351... super value for money, 1 of my bikes a Avalance pro has the same shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunh Posted August 21, 2008 Share ......... then again maybe I don't go fast enough to notice ......... Ya, ya !!! say's thee that rides so fast that all you see is a dust cloud!!!!shaunh2008-08-21 08:14:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreZA Posted August 21, 2008 Share I'll support RS when they start making rear shock on par with Fox. How can you pick one above the other if you do not have the same range of products products in both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TYGA Posted August 21, 2008 Share Last year' date=' or maybe two years ago this could've been an easier depate. Read that RS and Fox are too close to call when it comes to performance, but that RS keeps that up for longer and with less TLC than Fox. And I found that to be true. Their U-Turn forks are noticably smoother through the travel and Fox's Talas. Fox's 140mm forks with 32mm lowers are quite flexy when pushed hard. But things have changed. A lot. Manitou forks are light and plenty stiff plus reliability is where it should be. DT's take over of Pace have sorted out their issues, Marzocchi have some great AM+ forks on the market, Magura has always been reliable but for '09 their forks will drop some weight to bring it in-line with some of the best out there...who else is left worth mentioning? This is great news though. This means you can go with whatever brand you prefer and still get a great fork. Viva la choice. Price and back-up service will probably be the biggest factors.Recent shopping for a fork revealed this which looks to be accurate difference acros the range:RS = R 6400Manitou = R 7600Fox = R 8500DT = R 12 500Magura = Couldn't get a price due to supplier not carrying stockMarzocchi: R 8000[/quote'] Would it be worth paying 3 grand more for a bike where the only difference is essentially that the more expensive one has the Fox Float 130RL vs. a RS Recon 351with the same travel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted August 21, 2008 Share I'll support RS when they start making rear shock on par with Fox. How can you pick one above the other if you do not have the same range of products products in both. Ithink the newrange of RS rear shocks are starting to close the gap. Fox rear shocks are brilliant, biut their forks are maintenance intensive. RS forks are fantastic but their rear shocks require regular maintenance.The most maintenance free set up would be a Lefty, ooops Rock Shox Fork with a Fox rear shock. Yes Fox is "smooth" thanks to high volume of oil that passes through the damper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted August 22, 2008 Share I'll support RS when they start making rear shock on par with Fox. How can you pick one above the other if you do not have the same range of products products in both. I thought we were discussing FORKS? Manitou, Magura, Fox, DT and RS make shocks anyway. Have you ridden a Pearl? Freaking awesome. Same with DT. Have one on my Mojo and I don't miss my RP23 for a moment. We all know and love Fox cause it's OEM on 85% of bikes. And yeah, the RP23 and DHX5 is brilliant. Unfortunately we don't get to ride more shocks and it's too expensive to experiment. Viva la choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintSauce Posted August 22, 2008 Share Of course....if money is no object there's always the Cane Creek Double Barrel, but at some silly price like R 7500 or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted August 22, 2008 Share Oh yeah, forgot about that! Brilliant shock. XTC1: Float 130 must be '07 fork. Am I right Minty? IMO Float should be better than Recon. R3k is a lot of money though cause the Recon is not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintSauce Posted August 22, 2008 Share XTC1....Is it a new bike...? Mmm....I haven't been keeping up to date. Best try and confirm with Fox/Omnico. The Talas was shifted up to 140mm for the '07 year when they introduced the stepped travel adjustment. I'm not sure if the Float was also moved up to 140mm. If so, then 130mm travel would indicate that it's an '06 or older. For '06 Fox introduced a brake line mounting point on the sliders. If it doesn't have that then it's '05. I have no idea how the Recon performs or how that compares to the Reba. TitusTi reckons that, having ridden both Reba and Fox 29er forks extensively, the Fox is better, but not enough to justify the big price premium. The Float uses the same damping system as the Talas except that it doesn't have the travel adjust feature. Meaning that it's pretty much as god as it gets i.t.o. pure damping performance. With the Reba being reportedly inferior to that and the Recon even further down the line i.t.o. peformance(assuming here....big no-no I know) I'd guess it's some way off. Whether it's worth the 3k difference....I can't tell at this point. For me....after having several friends switch from Marzzochi, Rock Shox and Manitou to Fox, I'd have to say that I would personally spend the extra and get the Fox. That's just me though.....tough decision and I reckon I'm just making it more confusing....sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TYGA Posted August 22, 2008 Share Demo bikes...a 2008 model Trek Fuel EX7 vs a Fuel EX8. OK maybe the shock wasnt the only difference, the 8 also has mostly LX groupo and Bontrager Race wheels, the 7 has Bontrager Select wheels and mostly Deore bits and pieces. The frame and rear shock is the same. You can check the post on Tech "Trek Fuel Ex7 vs 8", there's links to both bikes there and they look great. Price difference R3700.00. I think its worth it but it took a while to convince myself. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted August 22, 2008 Share Go with the 8. Fork counts for a lot when it comes to how the bike ride and feel and go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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