whats the best lube to use????

[bustthesickness]

 

JB - The right lube applied in the incorrect manner can be useless - if you look @ White Lightning and Rock & Roll and all the stuff that you dont like to use...

 

Stop beating about the bush. What is the "incorrect manner".

 

 

Lathering it all over the place like you do with the oil you love so much.

 

Thank you' date=' now we can get down to brass tacks.

 

The original statement was that successful lubrication has more to do with the method of application than what you use.

 

Successful lubrication in my book is the maximum reduction of friction using a specific product. Now, whether I lather it on, as you suggest, or put a drop on every second link (as I do), you'll get the same level of lubrication - both successfull, and in contradiction of the original statement.

 

Further, oil for bikes is sold in a little bottle with a dropper, not in a can with a paintbrush. What is so difficult to deduce from that?

 

 

 

 

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Is this why you never get good results in MTB races..... cos when you stop youtake like 40mins just to lube every second link.......

 

 

HAHAH, no wait for it, there will be some "scientific" BS reasoning behind his race results...

 

 

 

Does he even do Races.......

 

 

 

 

I doubt this dude even rides. He's a classic troll type. Probably works in some cosmetics lab and logs on in his lunchbreak

 

[Minion]

 

I keep a religious log of all my chains' date=' tyre life, etc. on an Excel spreadsheet[/quote']

Have you tried using SportTracks? It's got a pretty good equipment tracking feature. The mileages are linked to exercise records that you can create manually or download from your Polar, Garmin etc.

 

[Willehond]

Tell me Johan

 

OT question: Are you from German descent?

 

I have no idea. I'll go to the Origins Centre at Wits one day and find out.

 

Legend has it though that three Bornman brothers arrived in the Cape shortly after Jan van Riebeeck discovered that there's less crime there than in Liberia. Upon embarking from the ship (in those days there was no jetty and slaves carried the passengers through the waves onto the beach)' date=' one brother drowned.

 

Of the two that made it, one was a homosexual and never procreated and the other one ran into the interior in the direction of Gauteng (called the Witwatersrand in those days) with a Koi woman he fell in love with.

 

I have no idea which of the three I'm a descendant of.

[/quote']

 

 

I think Jan's discovery was flawed though.

 

Jan actually got shipped off to Cape Town after some dodgy deals at his previous post.  It wasn't a promotion (or any other act worthy of erecting a statue for)

[Johan Bornman]

JB

 

I keep a religious log of all my chains' date=' tyre life, etc. on an Excel spreadsheet -  for chains & tyre life I have 5 year's of data and reasons why they (tyres) were changed. 

 

and love analysing data.

 

For my hardtail MTB, I am on the 5th chain (all LX) and is still using the original cassette (Deore) (mind you the 15 sprocket is a tad worn since I did a lot of on road training for the Epic.  Takes about 130 km for a new chain to wear in and then I have full use of this sprocket. (perhaps that 3rd chain with > 3000 km did the damage)

 

See below: See that some of the Excel detail were not copied.

 

Bike History - Giants
TCR Composite Road (2004)				Talon MTB (2007)
				Anthem MTB (2007)
Total Distance (km)
25142				11729
				1877
Yearly Distance (km)
16		1%		1658		55%
				1334		44%
Chain Life Tracking (km)
First	4808			First	2071	1832
Second	4916			Second	2332	121
Third	4811			Third	3380
Fourth	5085			Fourth	1360
Fifth	4597			Fifth	2586
Sixth	925			Sixth
Seventh				Seventh
Wheelset Tracking (km)
Ksyrium	2275			Sun Rims	11729
Eurus	4043			XT	1334
Vento	18824
Tyre Tracking (km)
Training				Training
Continental	3390			MTB (Front)
Schwalbe 1	2888			Hutchinson	3701
Schwalbe 2	5072			Continental	8028
Schwalbe 3	2997
Schwalbe 4	4615
Schwalbe 5	2727
Schwalbe 6	132
				MTB (Back)
Rotation				Hutchinson	3701
				Continental	1211
				Continental	1252
				Continental	2943
				Continental	2622
Racing				Racing
Vredestein	2275			MTB (Front)
Michelin	2684			Continental	1213
Hutchinson	1359			Maxxis	121
				MTB (Back)
				Continental	1213
				Maxxis	121

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Thanks for this. I'm quite keen to compare the averages you guys got on your cassettes. Hower, I find this table quite obscure. Am I right that there's no cassette life in here or is that First second etc chain per cassette? What is the second column in the second column of chain life tracking?

 

[Underachiever]

I keep a religious log of all my chains' date=' tyre life, etc. on an Excel spreadsheet[/quote']
Have you tried using SportTracks? It's got a pretty good equipment tracking feature. The mileages are linked to exercise records that you can create manually or download from your Polar, Garmin etc.

 

I'm old school! Excel works just fine.

 

Seriously, can you use SportTracks without the use of a GPS?

 

 

[Underachiever]

Tell me Johan

 

OT question: Are you from German descent?

 

I have no idea. I'll go to the Origins Centre at Wits one day and find out.

 

Legend has it though that three Bornman brothers arrived in the Cape shortly after Jan van Riebeeck discovered that there's less crime there than in Liberia. Upon embarking from the ship (in those days there was no jetty and slaves carried the passengers through the waves onto the beach)' date=' one brother drowned.

 

Of the two that made it, one was a homosexual and never procreated and the other one ran into the interior in the direction of Gauteng (called the Witwatersrand in those days) with a Koi woman he fell in love with.

 

I have no idea which of the three I'm a descendant of.

[/quote']

 

 

I think Jan's discovery was flawed though.

 

Jan actually got shipped off to Cape Town after some dodgy deals at his previous post.  It wasn't a promotion (or any other act worthy of erecting a statue for)

 

I know the story!! Reminds of another biggish island full of convicts.  Good at sports though, especially catching sheep.

[Underachiever]

JB

 

I keep a religious log of all my chains' date=' tyre life, etc. on an Excel spreadsheet -  for chains & tyre life I have 5 year's of data and reasons why they (tyres) were changed. 

 

and love analysing data.

 

For my hardtail MTB, I am on the 5th chain (all LX) and is still using the original cassette (Deore) (mind you the 15 sprocket is a tad worn since I did a lot of on road training for the Epic.  Takes about 130 km for a new chain to wear in and then I have full use of this sprocket. (perhaps that 3rd chain with > 3000 km did the damage)

 

See below: See that some of the Excel detail were not copied.

 

Bike History - Giants
TCR Composite Road (2004)				Talon MTB (2007)
				Anthem MTB (2007)
Total Distance (km)
25142				11729
				1877
Yearly Distance (km)
16		1%		1658		55%
				1334		44%
Chain Life Tracking (km)
First	4808			First	2071	1832
Second	4916			Second	2332	121
Third	4811			Third	3380
Fourth	5085			Fourth	1360
Fifth	4597			Fifth	2586
Sixth	925			Sixth
Seventh				Seventh
Wheelset Tracking (km)
Ksyrium	2275			Sun Rims	11729
Eurus	4043			XT	1334
Vento	18824
Tyre Tracking (km)
Training				Training
Continental	3390			MTB (Front)
Schwalbe 1	2888			Hutchinson	3701
Schwalbe 2	5072			Continental	8028
Schwalbe 3	2997
Schwalbe 4	4615
Schwalbe 5	2727
Schwalbe 6	132
				MTB (Back)
Rotation				Hutchinson	3701
				Continental	1211
				Continental	1252
				Continental	2943
				Continental	2622
Racing				Racing
Vredestein	2275			MTB (Front)
Michelin	2684			Continental	1213
Hutchinson	1359			Maxxis	121
				MTB (Back)
				Continental	1213
				Maxxis	121

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Thanks for this. I'm quite keen to compare the averages you guys got on your cassettes. Hower, I find this table quite obscure. Am I right that there's no cassette life in here or is that First second etc chain per cassette? What is the second column in the second column of chain life tracking?

 

 

One man's Excel spreadsheet is another man's misery.  Works better when you see the whole thing colour coded.  So you have to trust me on this.  Perhaps I need to send you the file.  PM me your e-mail address if you want it.

 

Cassette life is what you find under "wheelset tracking" since I have never changed cassettes. So on my Vento's the casssette has done >18 000 km, and >11 000 km for my heavy MTB wheelset, and so forth.

 

The second chain life tracking column (rightmost column) is what I had to add when I got the Anthem.  So the first Anthem chain (XTR) did 1 832km before it was replaced.  The first column is for the Talon's chains.

 

The leftmost chain life column is for my roadbike

 

Make sense? 

[CaptainDura]

I'm old school!

 

 

 

so tell me underachiever, with these impressive numbers, and seeing this is a lube thread,

 

What lube do you use to get to these figures ???

[Underachiever]

I'm old school!

 

 

 

so tell me underachiever' date=' with these impressive numbers, and seeing this is a lube thread,

 

What lube do you use to get to these figures ???

[/quote']

 

Squirt Dry Lube. 

 

I never remove my chain on my roadbike during its life to be cleaned, etc., I just re-lube when necessary.  If the chain is really dusty, I will just hose it off with water (and then re-lube). Cleans the cassette sprockets probably once per year with a degreaser if I feel like it.

 

For MTB:  Cleans the chain and cassette with a water hose every two weeks or so to get rid of the dust and re-lube.  Since its a dry lube I will hose off the chain/cassette after a rainy ride and re-lube.   

[Minion]

 

I'm old school! Excel works just fine.

 

Seriously' date=' can you use SportTracks without the use of a GPS?[/quote']

Give it a try, it's free.

 

You don't need a GPS or anything to use it. You can manually enter distances, locations etc. and it can also assign different equipment based on predefined categories e.g. Mountainbiking, Road - Training, Road - Racing, etc.

You can also track purchase locations, dates, prices and so on for individual parts.

[specialized7]

 

I'm old school!

 

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so tell me underachiever' date=' with these impressive numbers, and seeing this is a lube thread,

 

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What lube do you use to get to these figures ???

[/quote']

 

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Squirt Dry Lube.?

 

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I never remove my chain?on my roadbike during its life to be cleaned, etc., I just re-lube when necessary.? If the chain is really dusty, I will?just hose it off with water (and then re-lube). Cleans the cassette sprockets probably once per year with a degreaser if I feel like it.

 

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For MTB:? Cleans the chain and cassette with a water hose every two weeks or so to get rid of the dust and re-lube.??Since its a dry lube I will hose off the chain/cassette after a?rainy ride and re-lube.   

Your chain,casette and chainrings must look k*k.I wash my MTB mechanicals after every ride.But that's why my BB does not last......

[Jules]

I've bought myself a workshop-quality tool for external BBs. I also have one of those speed-link thingees for my chain. I'm considering removing my chain, cranks and BB after every race to wash and re-lube. With the right tools, it's very quick to take everything off, and it makes cleaning the frame and the crankset a lot easier.

[Dirtbreath]

 

I've bought myself a workshop-quality tool for external BBs. I also have one of those speed-link thingees for my chain. I'm considering removing my chain' date=' cranks and BB after every race to wash and re-lube. With the right tools, it's very quick to take everything off, and it makes cleaning the frame and the crankset a lot easier. [/quote']

 

Headset is quick to do as well.

 

[CaptainDura]

I'm old school!

 

 

 

so tell me underachiever' date=' with these impressive numbers, and seeing this is a lube thread,

 

What lube do you use to get to these figures ???

[/quote']

 

Squirt Dry Lube. 

 

And suddenly, out of the blue there it was!

 

The answer everyone was waiting to hear.

 

Squirt.

 

i use it. underachiever uses it. everyone should use it. 

 

it works.  nuff said.

 

 

 

[Goose1]

thanks to all those that replied and took  part, it certainly made for some interesting reading

 

string closed...............................

[AndreZA]

 

I've bought myself a workshop-quality tool for external BBs. I also have one of those speed-link thingees for my chain. I'm considering removing my chain' date=' cranks and BB after every race to wash and re-lube. With the right tools, it's very quick to take everything off, and it makes cleaning the frame and the crankset a lot easier. [/quote']Headset is quick to do as well.

 

 

 

I drilled my BB shell the other day and it make s HUGE difference. The best thing to get aswell is a grease gun or a lekker fat syringe filled with grease. Bend the needle and you can get into the tight spots.

 

 

 

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