Your opinion on these two frames

[Bos]

mmm... I owned a single pivot much like the superlight before moving to my blur which is a multi pivot(er, no pun) VPP, while I am biased towards the santacruise of course, I had to admit that a DW, VPP type of suspention is way superior..It doesnt just "round the bumps off", It takes them away.

 

while Crow will quickly tell you how much better the DW link is and I cant argue as Ive not ridden one, It should also be better as the Pivot gets rave reviews.

the single pivot superlight is a different horse alltogether and you will fall in love with it but thats my penny.If i were you , I'd get this

 

[jagwil]

Jagwil- in what category does the mach 4 fall on that site?

Probably a 4 bar linkage. A 4 bar linkage does NOT necessarily mean MORE maintenance.

 

I Agree with The Crow on this.  Go with the Pivot. Far superior.

The Mach is definitely NOT a 4 bar linkage' date=' it's a DW link design.
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What system is the MARIN.??

[Santa C]

the Santa cruz superlight by far!!!!

 

If you want to spens some serious bucks-The blur carbon xc

[MintSauce]

As Crow said...the Pivot is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the Santa Cruz i.t.o. design.

 

It is one of the stiffest FS bikes built whereas in comparison the Superlight is known for being notoriously flexy. Just ride behind one and watch the gap between the seattube and swingarm as it flexes from side to side.

 

Added to that the fact that the cycling press has unanimously decreed the Pivot as one of(in some cases the best) riding FS bike ever.

 

Why would you buy a 10+ year old design if you can have the latest technology?

 

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/mach-4-framerear-shock-bb-09-33173

 

 

 

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Hi Jagwil

 

Your Marin is loosely based around a Single Pivot with a DW type link.

 

The Marin is a great bike , good pedaling efficiency and great bump absorption.

 

I raced a 24 hour on a Marin a few years back, it's a great bike.

[Iwan Kemp]

As Crow said...the Pivot is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the Santa Cruz i.t.o. design.

It is one of the stiffest FS bikes built whereas in comparison the Superlight is known for being notoriously flexy. Just ride behind one and watch the gap between the seattube and swingarm as it flexes from side to side.


Why would you buy a 10+ year old design if you can have the latest technology?

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/mach-4-framerear-shock-bb-09-33173

Yes, on two accounts.

1. I have demoed a SL. Not in the parking lot. For a week out on the trails. It is flexy. Very. Riding it back to back with my Ibis I thought the rear tri was cracked or loose or something. It wasn't. Doesn't have the same sure-footedness through rough stuff. ( Had the same issue with Gary Fisher)

 

2. As Mintsauce said: Why would you buy a 10+ year old design if you can have the latest technology?

[Iwan Kemp]

Marin is only just getting bikes right for our type of riding.

 

They used to be quite heavy, some say they still are compared to other bikes in the same cat, and the BB used to be too high for most people's liking. Good for North Shore, not good for general trail riding.

 

But to be fare you can't compare their 140mm bike with a 140mm Trek or Giant or most other 140mm bikes out there. Same with their 120mm bike.

 

Marin bikes punch above their travel limit and direct competition comes from Orange, Morewood, Norco and bikes like that. Heavy hitting trail beasts. Bit heavy, but bomb-proof.

 

They have however launched a lighter 120mm frame, a 100mm Marathon / XC dual and a carbon HT.

 

Back to the topic: do yourself a favour and back to back a single pivot and DW-link bike. Be sure to ride the Sgl Pivot first. Otherwise you'll have to walk back to your car after dumping the bike halfway into your ride...

 

And yeah, sgl pivots ain't bad and yes they have improved a lot, but DW (and Dave Weagle's soon-to-be-released Split Pivot) is MILES AHEAD.

 

DW Info: http://www.dw-link.com/home.html

Split-Pivot: http://www.sicklines.com/2007/06/08/dave-weagle-launches-new-suspension-system-split-pivot/

 

As far as I know Evil bikes will be the first to sport DW's DELTAsystem design.

http://www.evil-bikes.com/#/000118/page

[jagwil]

I currently ride a 2 1/2 year old Marin Mount Vision Pro which does not seem to be particularly heavy. In my view it is a great bike. I have previously had  9 year old Mount Vision and a 5 year old Mount Vision . Both still good bikes.

[Wyatt Earp]

I currently ride a 2 1/2 year old Marin Mount Vision Pro which does not seem to be particularly heavy. In my view it is a great bike. I have previously had? 9 year old Mount Vision and a?5 year old Mount Vision . Both still good bikes.

 

I am with you on this, they are anything but heavy, my Mount Vision Pro weighed in at 11 kg's and this was around 5 years back.

 

They make great bikes and are a pleasure to ride.

[Matchstix]

I will go for the bike with the better backup in the country not sure who does pivot.

Intense also has some nice fs frames

 

[Dirty Twin]

Why dont you ask Brighter-Lights. I know he rode one(Pivot Mach4) for about 2 months and really enjoyed the bike.

[zeepee]

Hey thanks guys, there's some really good advice here.

I think a decision has been made.

Now for the hard part.........

[Iwan Kemp]

Pivot = Two Wheels Trading www.twowheelstrading.co.za

Also does Ibis, Tomac, WTB, Stans, A2Z, DMR, Profile Design, Prologo...enough free advertising!

 

TWT will give you MUCH better back-up than Dragons. Experience talking.

[jagwil]

Hey thanks guys' date=' there's some really good advice here.

I think a decision has been made.

Now for the hard part.........

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Just remember to post pics when you have it.

[zeepee]

Pivot = Two Wheels Trading www.twowheelstrading.co.za

Also does Ibis' date=' Tomac, WTB, Stans, A2Z, DMR, Profile Design, Prologo...enough free advertising!

 

TWT will give you MUCH better back-up than Dragons. Experience talking.

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Do they supply direct to the public?

[Iwan Kemp]

Don't think so...not sure. But you can contact them and ask them where you'll be able to get your hands on a Pivot.

I was talking about back-up which you'll have to do through your LBS in any case, but you can be sure of quick and professional service. Not phone you back in three months to tell you "where not gonna cover you" service.