droo Posted August 7, 2009 Share So many double entendres in that one post' date=' I'm not even going to start [/quote'] ? Sorry sir ? Entrees - aren't vat wot you eat before you eat or somefink? ? next time I go with a pretend narrative aka:- ? BB - So JB JB - Yes ben BB - Do you agree JB - uuuhhhhmmmm BB - if you have a limited budget JB - aha ? Blah-de blah-de blah Was talking about JB's post with spoke-to-rim connectors being stiff and responding well to a good oiling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Bornman Posted August 7, 2009 Share So many double entendres in that one post' date=' I'm not even going to start [/quote'] Don't start, Mud Dee will do it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted August 7, 2009 Share Was talking about JB's post with spoke-to-rim connectors being stiff and responding well to a good oiling... ooops I obviously have no idea about them antandre fings ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Bornman Posted August 7, 2009 Share JB would you agree that budgetary constraints sometimes means doing the best you got with what you got ..... even with the knowledge that it may only be a short term fix? The problem of course is if even with that understanding the customer then complains when it fails after the said 'short term'! Now that's a different story ....... Ben, I agree. It is a dilemma though. Scenario: The wheel is in a bad condition, nipples, loctited (Droo, is that the right verb?) gunked up and solid. Spokes cheap and nasty, many of the wrong length from previous repairs and five of them shaved from an overshifted chain. Do I: Fix the problem and charge him for the extra labour or do I recommend that he cuts his losses and build a new wheel and/or save the hub and build new on that. The latter will cost (if we save the hub) R9-50 per spoke x 32 = R302-00 plus R380 for a decent DRC rim plus R300 for labour. The former will cost R300 per hour. I spent two hours on that particular wheel (photos of nipples above) and I then got an appey who spent another two hours on it. We ended up replacing six spokes. A third option is to only focus on the problem and try and fix the one spoke. He will be back, if not to me, to another bike shop, within the month. What to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted August 7, 2009 Share Explain nicely (as you have above), make sure he understands and give him the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Bornman Posted August 7, 2009 Share Explain nicely (as you have above)' date=' make sure he understands and give him the choice.[/quote'] I think that's the best way. Unfortunately I sometimes take on the job thinking that I can do it without grief. Two hours later and I'm halfway there. Anyway....It was a long-winded way of telling the OP that sometimes the "replace everything" answer from the bike shop is not out of line. Premature, but not totally over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droo Posted August 7, 2009 Share loctited (Droo' date=' is that the right verb?) [/quote'] Looks fine to me, double entendre's more my thing. As for the rest, sage advice as always. | V BB, there's another one droo2009-08-07 06:40:22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoosh1973 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Just a question regarding caron fiber rims. I suppose they never require spokes, destressing or tensioning, dont loosen etc etc right?Why arnt there more and more wheels made with carbon? Should i bite the bullet and get carbon wheels and only change the hub when required? No broken spokes or extra costs tensioning buckling et Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Bornman Posted August 9, 2009 Share Just a question regarding caron fiber rims. I suppose they never require spokes' date=' destressing or tensioning, dont loosen etc etc right?Why arnt there more and more wheels made with carbon? Should i bite the bullet and get carbon wheels and only change the hub when required? No broken spokes or extra costs tensioning buckling et[/quote'] Firstly, carbon fibre rims suffer from the same wheel problems as all other rims except for eyelet fatigue. Spokes still have to be stress-relieved and they have to be trued from time to time. Spokes still loosen if there isn't enough spoke tension to start off with. They're practically no different from other rims in those regards. It is difficult to build a strong clincher from carbon fibre. The sidewalls where the brakes work are the biggest problem. They have to be a bit thicker than aluminium to offer the same strength in resisting tyre pressure and that makes them heavy and bulky. Also, they're really crappy in the braking department. They come on their own in deep section tubbies, where the fairing portion of the rim can be really thin and flimsy and no sidewalls are required for clinchers. In my view, aluminium is still the best all-round rim material and carbon wheels should only be specced on deep section special purpose wheels. They do look good though and at the end of the day most people make their decisions based on looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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