Quality of Muscle Science Products

[Speed Devil]

I used USN Cytopower a few months back. On my 35min ride from work to home I couldn't wait to get home as I would always be in need of a toilet.

My muscles were always sore and never seemed to recover. After 2 days on the bike my legs would be so sore that I could not stand up or walk properly.

 

I switched to Bio-Anabolics and all those symptoms have disappeared. I also find that I am riding a lot better too.

[Gravity]

Hi there Speed Devil

 

I dont take any supplements for recovery, but i do eat quite "healthily" (read i dissolve anything in sight)

 

My muscle recovery is REALLY slow and extremely painful - when i am tired also generally after 2-3 days of commuting (45min-24kmph ave) it literally feels like the muscles are being pulled from the bone sometimes.

 

I have tried simply uping my protein intake - but that doesnt quite seem to help, another thing that makes this more tough is that i am allergic to milk.

 

It also takes me much longer for my muscles to warm up than my cycling mates. 

 

I have noticed that it makes a HUGE improvement if i Stretch WELL before and after, but h3ll my legs still hurt.

 

I think that there is something very wrong with my nutrition regimen and i really need to go see a dietician or someone qualified (procrastination is a b1tch)  

[Jaco-fiets]

Studies have also shown that taking creatine after straneous exercise does increase glycogen replenishment in the muscle

[Mudsimus]

Studies have also shown that taking creatine after straneous exercise does increase glycogen replenishment in the muscle

 

Who's studies? The supplier of the creatine? Please post a link to these studies...I would love to read it.

[wiMPers]

Firstly creatine actually does help with recovery after high intense short term exercise (4-10s) such as sprinting or powerlifting etc..As it replenish the phospocreatine stores of the body. It however does little during and after endurance exercise' date=' although some studies have shown that creatine lead to slight positive increases in endurance. Creatine might actually be determental to cycling performance as it could dehydrate you as your muscles are absorbing more water and also make them heavier without increasing power, which is obviously extremely determental.

 

Secondly you say I consume 1 to 1.5g per kg protein in the hour after you finished exercising. This is way to much for cycling. You should consume 1 to 1.2g per kg of protein per day. Also you say you train 16h a week(which is only moderate) that you need supplements to recover. This is absoslute nonsense. Consuming a balanced diet that deliver sufficent energy should provide you with all you need from vitamins to mineral to carbs and proteins.

 

Thirdly, even though some supplement companies market their products superior to other companies's products, because they contain this new "scientifically proven" substance that enhances performance such as Carnitine, Glutamine, BCAA's etc. these supplements doesn't provide any benefit to other "cheaper" supplements. Because these "gimicks" are only based on wishful theory which in reality produces budcus.

 

I believe however it is ensential to consume a carbohydrate dring during and after exercise to prevent glyogen depletion, hypoglycemia and to ensure that your glygogen stores are topped up for the next day. You should consume a carbohydrate drink, with a high percentage of dissacchirides and polysacchirides, and that provides about 7% of carbs, after it has been mixed. And also a drink that provides a 4:1 carb:protein ratio for afterwards and longer rides if you feel its neccesary.

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Like I said, I consume 1g - 1.5g of Carbohydrates per kg bodyweight, in a 1:4 ratio (protein:carbs) after exercises. There is a difference between training "moderate" 16hrs a week and TRAINING hard and at high inteniteies within the 16hrs a week if you still work a full-time job.

 

Over consumption of protein has no additional benefits at all. Consuming too much protein can lead to kidney problems (with the by-product called "urea" forming) , as well as other health problems (bone loss, heart disease, etc).

[nochain]

Hi there Speed Devil

 

I dont take any supplements for recovery' date=' but i do eat quite "healthily" (read i dissolve anything in sight)

 

My muscle recovery is REALLY slow and extremely painful - when i am tired also generally after 2-3 days of commuting (45min-24kmph ave) it literally feels like the muscles are being pulled from the bone sometimes.

 

I have tried simply uping my protein intake - but that doesnt quite seem to help, another thing that makes this more tough is that i am allergic to milk.

 

It also takes me much longer for my muscles to warm up than my cycling mates. 

 

I have noticed that it makes a HUGE improvement if i Stretch WELL before and after, but h3ll my legs still hurt.

 

 

 

 

I think that there is something very wrong with my nutrition regimen and i really need to go see a dietician or someone qualified (procrastination is a b1tch)  

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Mostly you will find that your problem is not with Proteins or carbs but some sort of Amino acid/Vitamin/Mineral deficiency.

Interesting read this:Dr Colgan,Sport Nutrition Guide

Also has a whole chapter on Creatine for Endurance athlethes.

 

 

 

nochain2009-09-08 07:46:37

[wiMPers]

Hi there Speed Devil

 

I dont take any supplements for recovery' date=' but i do eat quite "healthily" (read i dissolve anything in sight)

 

My muscle recovery is REALLY slow and extremely painful - when i am tired also generally after 2-3 days of commuting (45min-24kmph ave) it literally feels like the muscles are being pulled from the bone sometimes.

 

I have tried simply uping my protein intake - but that doesnt quite seem to help, another thing that makes this more tough is that i am allergic to milk.

 

It also takes me much longer for my muscles to warm up than my cycling mates. 

 

I have noticed that it makes a HUGE improvement if i Stretch WELL before and after, but h3ll my legs still hurt.

 

Mostly you will find that your problem is not with Proteins or carbs but some sort of Amino acid/Vitamin/Mineral deficiency.

Interesting read this:Dr Colgan,Sport Nutrition Guide

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Also has a whole chapter on Creatine for Endurance athlethes.

 

 

 

I think that there is something very wrong with my nutrition regimen and i really need to go see a dietician or someone qualified (procrastination is a b1tch)  

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Mostly you will find that your problem is not with Proteins or carbs but some sort of Amino acid/Vitamin/Mineral deficiency.

Interesting read this:Dr Colgan,Sport Nutrition Guide

Also has a whole chapter on Creatine for Endurance athlethes.

 

 

 

I think that there is something very wrong with my nutrition regimen and i really need to go see a dietician or someone qualified (procrastination is a b1tch)  

 

Your link is not working no-chain?

[nochain]

http://secure.ideaz.net/colganinstitute-com/details.php?prodId=37

[Pornstar]

Hi

 

YOu can use my amino carb product for on the bike and i can post a certificate of analysis on it, certifying everything about product right down to the last letter.

 

Can use the pro amino recovery shake after heavt training days too, can supply the same certificate.

 

You need to eat balanced diet though for anything to work.

 

 

[wiMPers]

Hi

 

YOu can use my amino carb product for on the bike and i can post a certificate of analysis on it' date=' certifying everything about product right down to the last letter.

 

Can use the pro amino recovery shake after heavt training days too, can supply the same certificate.

 

You need to eat balanced diet though for anything to work.

 

 

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Hi Pornstar, please can you post these certificates?

I am looking for a new, good quality, supplement brand, that is reliable.

So if you can convince me, you will have a new customer...

[wiMPers]

No-Chain, check this link...

http://www.swimbikeruneat.com/?page_id=59

 

Busy reading it now (ordered it through kalahari.net), and so far it makes some very interesting reading and great value for money!

[Pornstar]

I will do it tomorrow morning, i have left my pc for the day, on blackberry

 

We can do this for our gels too, and if the brand you use cant give this to you maybe you should ask a question.

 

Search amino carb though , there are a few threads on it already for info on product

[Jaco-fiets]

Studies have also shown that taking creatine after straneous exercise does increase glycogen replenishment in the muscle

 

Who's studies? The supplier of the creatine? Please post a link to these studies...I would love to read it.

 

Came across this when i read up on creatine and cycling. Went into many links so i will not be able to give you the exact site. They do however state that creatine use does not give significant improvement for endurence sports but helps with recovery

[Prins-USN]

Indigo kid if you can please show me some facts on your rediculous statements on the USN products to back up your claims. Ive used USN for 10 years now and i can promise you they make only the highest of quality products and are constantly reformulating products to ensure the best quality. If you have any questions i challange you to prove me wrong. I work for USN and have the best available info at my disposal so any questions anybody has on our products or biogen feel free to ask.

[Yang]

Just plain old milk! Here is some studies.

 

 

... with a schoop of milo for some added vit's & minarals

 

costs about R50/month

 

That's my recovery drink- large scoop of Milo, 1 part water, 3 parts 2% low fat milk, and a couple of scoops of FIT Dura Train, chilled to the point of ice crystals forming, served straight after I finish the ride. Yum! The Milo and the milk alone is the complete recovery drink.

[Mr Mulebar]

 

 

Indigo kid if you can please show me some facts on your rediculous statements on the USN products to back up your claims. Ive used USN for 10 years now and i can promise you they make only the highest of quality products and are constantly reformulating products to ensure the best quality. If you have any questions i challange you to prove me wrong. I work for USN and have the best available info at my disposal so any questions anybody has on our products or biogen feel free to ask.

 

 

 

Would you care to disclose the names of flavourants and colourants that are used in most USN products?

 

 

 

Just wondering as a vast number of commercially used flavourants and colourants are petroleum based i.e. not very good for you and many others are known to be carsonogenic.

 

 

 

And as for acesulfame-K that is used in many of your products:Acesulfame K: What is the negative side?

 

 

 

"The problems surrounding acesulfame K are based on the improper testing and lack of long-term studies. Acesulfame K does contain the carcinogen methylene chloride. Long-term exposure to methylene chloride can cause headaches, depression, nausea, mental confusion, liver effects, kidney effects, visual disturbances, and cancer in humans."

 

 

 

Interested to hear your reply, as you said you work for USN and should have the info?