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... and, correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't you want your national champ to be at the worlds. most other countries, i'm sure, would send their nat champ, even if they were out of form

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Agreed. One (naively perhaps) would want to believe that

a) The talent has been earmarked

b) Informed of the opportunity and of trial events in good time (6 months)

c) The very best talent at the top of their game is selected....

If an SA Champ quits the day she learns she is not included which also happens to be a month before the event, it calls into question the intention or lack thereof by the CSA/selectors

If the riders fail (badly) because they are either

a) not up to the challenge

or b) not prepared

 

it is for the selectors to face the music. Let the games begin........lets see the results.....
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Buckstopper......slow down mate.

 

What you have just outlined is a bit of planning. This is not the norm at CSA. There its all about who we can ****over today and who else we can blame if it backfires.
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Agreed. One (naively perhaps) would want to believe that

a) The talent has been earmarked

b) Informed of the opportunity and of trial events in good time (6 months)

c) The very best talent at the top of their game is selected....

If an SA Champ quits the day she learns she is not included which also happens to be a month before the event' date=' it calls into question the intention or lack thereof by the CSA/selectors

If the riders fail (badly) because they are either

a) not up to the challenge

or b) not prepared

 

it is for the selectors to face the music. Let the games begin........lets see the results.....
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i'd still like to hearwhat she has to say about it all
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Point taken. Ag sorry........

 

Was just trying to be constructive......

 

Carinus needs to step up and drive this thing, (is he not a paid employee and head honcho) or is this not part of his mandate. If not his, then whose. Let's hear...
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How can a national body wholly disregard their own national championship?

 

Its called "a hidden agenda", and can surely not be construed as anything else.

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Chunky - I suspect that both Lawrence and David had nothing to do with the selection. Both I have knowen for longer than I can remember. As far as I know neither are selectors. On priciple both will stand behind the selectors choice - even if they in private disagree.

 

 

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The proper thing to do of course. If the selectors succeed then they're the right guys for the job. If they fail, they should tender their resignations which is also the proper thing to do.

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Chunky - I suspect that both Lawrence and David had nothing to do with the selection. Both I have knowen for longer than I can remember. As far as I know neither are selectors. On priciple both will stand behind the selectors choice - even if they in private disagree.

 

I suspect not Wink

 

At the end of the day they could have made things right. Ronel was removed from the list. I say no more.
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I have it on very good authority that one of them was in fact instrumental and most persistent in having Ronel removed from the list. and, surprise, surprise, it had nothing to do with performance or ability, and everything to do with a personal vendetta!!!! DeadCruxpearl2007-08-27 13:56:03

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I have it on very good authority that one of them was in fact instrumental and most persistent in having Ronel removed from the list.

and' date=' surprise, surprise, it had nothing to do with performance or ability, and everything to do with a personal vendetta!!!! Dead
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Dave Bellairs !!!!
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While I agree with Csiad that winning an SA championship means absolutely nothing' date=' it is however the event that has been 'earmarked' as the race to win to gain selection.

 

Proving yourself at your national championships is normaly the way in which a rider can prove to everyone within his federation that he or she is the best that the country has to offer. It is not that riders fault if the standard is very low. At the end of the day, he still beat all the other riders who were hoping to do the same thing.

 

Transparancy is the problem at the CSA. When emotion takes over from reason, the worms start to crawl out of the woodwork. The problem we have, is that our sport is being run mostly by people who have no clue about proffesional or competitive cycling (Dave and Lawrance). Another problem we have is the fact that they do not want or need any help from anyone else.

 

Cycling needs a complete new face. It needs experienced and qualified business people who can turn it into a profitable organisation to run the administration and logistics side of things. It also needs people who understand how cycling at that level works. I had a long chat with Carinus the other day egarding this issue. I told him it must be very difficult to have to work with people who dont understand cycling and his silence answered my question exactly.

 

Cycling in South Africa will remain a total mess like it has been for the past however many years untill you rid the sport of these idiots.

 

We always seem to get the same answer when this statement gets made....' Well, you voted for us'.

 

Who actually voted. How many people actually put there hands up when these people were elected into their currenty positions. Sure, we are partly to blame for not showing up and putting our hands in the air for pewople we actually want to see run our sport. I for one have been to a few of these gatherings of potential administrators. The problem is that nobody actually wants the job. Its an organisation in total dissaray. I think most people actually think to themselves why even bother, you never going to change the system anyway.

 

South Africa will unfortunately only ever produce a very limited number of Robert Hunters or Cherise Taylors and the system will kill most of them off anyway.
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Jeepers Chunky, people are going to start saying you're a smart dude!!

 

You are right.  What we had previously was a SACF "boys" (and lady) club made up of volunteers that were passionate about cycling but not that skilled either in administering cycling or in managing what is essentially (or should be) a PR organisation.  Now we have the same thing, just the Pedalpower boys club with the same lack of real experience outside of managing oversized funrides.  These funrides are among the best in the world both as commercial ventures and for sheer volume, but managing professional athletes and representing them is a different ballgame altogether.

 

What we need is an organisation full of full time employees that are both skilled in PR and management, and are passionate about the sport.  We need people who understand good governance and putting in place proper structures and process.  We don't need bureacracy, we need accountable individuals that are willing to engage the public they represent on every decision they make.  How a national team is selected is something that should be shared with every South African as this team represents us.  If incompatible relationships are shown amongst the selectors, they firstly should have declined the nomination, but if they have the job then they need to justify why they made a decision that seems influenced by their other roles and relationships in the sport.

 

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Chunky, Cruxpearl - what do you say about the great W.P. participation at world vets 30 - 35 David G the only rider to go finishing 8th and 2nd at SA's and not selected?

 

 

 

Was that the WP selectors "Lawrence and David" - or are the real selectors just not really with it? Which I suspect L and D just rubber stamp.

 

 

 

Lets see if the selectors got it right this time and if not if the resign if a bad selection was made!

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... Transparancy is the problem at the CSA. When emotion takes over from reason' date=' the worms start to crawl out of the woodwork.  ....  Another problem we have is the fact that they do not want or need any help from anyone else.

 

Cycling needs a complete new face. It needs experienced and qualified business people who can turn it into a profitable organisation to run the administration and logistics side of things. It also needs people who understand how cycling at that level works. .... Cycling in South Africa will remain a total mess like it has been for the past however many years untill you rid the sport of these idiots. [/quote']

What we need is an organisation full of full time employees that are both skilled in PR and management, and are passionate about the sport.  We need people who understand good governance and putting in place proper structures and process.  We don't need bureacracy, we need accountable individuals that are willing to engage the public they represent on every decision they make.  How a national team is selected is something that should be shared with every South African as this team represents us.  If incompatible relationships are shown amongst the selectors, they firstly should have declined the nomination, but if they have the job then they need to justify why they made a decision that seems influenced by their other roles and relationships in the sport.
Hear Hear!!!!!ClapClapClap

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