Individual hill climb seeding TT (TODAY 11.01)

[Woofie]

 

The smiley face is a hyperlink.

 

 

incase you dont get it.

http://www.mapmyride.com/s/routes/view/bike-ride-map/south-africa/durbanville/26163134

[Lucky Luke.]

 

Thanks, gradient looks pretty moderate - 4-5% with one small bit of 6%

[Woofie]

Thanks, gradient looks pretty moderate - 4-5% with one small bit of 6%

 

It feels steeper when you ride it

 

The first time I went down there I clocked 70 freewheeling down, so it isnt gradientless

 

I think we should start a unofficial hub TT up there.

Just on a honestly based system.

We must just decide on the exact markers.

 

Go do it and then post your times.

 

Lets see who is tops and who can make the best improvements over the season.

 

What you guys think?

 

I am pretty sure in my current form that I will come stone last

[I-FELT-the-FORCE]

It feels steeper when you ride it

 

The first time I went down there I clocked 70 freewheeling down, so it isnt gradientless

 

I think we should start a unofficial hub TT up there.

Just on a honestly based system.

We must just decide on the exact markers.

 

Go do it and then post your times.

 

Lets see who is tops and who can make the best improvements over the season.

 

What you guys think?

 

I am pretty sure in my current form that I will come stone last

 

Thats a very cool idea, I like it alot.

Get to do a little warm up from the Contermans side, get down to the dairy and then TT like crazy back up! That should make for some serious climbing legs. I want to try get out there and do it at least twice per week. ALOT safer than Vissers and Tiekie.

 

[stratus5]

My Garmin gives me 8 or 9% for the first bit just after the river up to the first bend, and then it flattens out to 4 or 5%.

 

A good SE wind can add another 10% though

[Woofie]

Thats a very cool idea, I like it alot.

Get to do a little warm up from the Contermans side, get down to the dairy and then TT like crazy back up! That should make for some serious climbing legs. I want to try get out there and do it at least twice per week. ALOT safer than Vissers and Tiekie.

 

 

Absolutely.

I never ride vissers because of all the close calls I get told about.

And tickie is always pumping with traffic.

 

There is barely any traffic on malans at all.

The occasional truck and car, but you are more at risk of getting "lost" out there than getting ridden over.

 

Still one of my favourite rides in our side of the world.

From table view, past richwood, along countermans, down past the dairy and back is about a 50km trip. I like to go to the end of the tar road which is maybe 2km after the diary.

Nice length with a decent climb and rollers.

Also a lot more sheltered (wind) than the westcoast rd.

 

Ok, so who is going to go scope out the route and determine some markers?

Maybe take a tin of spray paint with...... Just dont get caught...... Otherwise we may have another frail post..... help I have just been arrested......

Anyone ride the ppa timing day? Did they mark it out?

 

I think practising this would help a bit to improve your time up there. A short event like this is all about knowing how hard you can go for how long.

It wont make you win it, but it will help you to shave off a few seconds off your time.

 

Hey, we could even have a hub race up there now and then... haha.

That would be quite funny.

I actually wonder if we would get a better time up there if we raced it compared to TT?

[I-FELT-the-FORCE]

There are a couple of markers up there already Woofie.

City Cycling Club has laid them down already. I think it just a case of remarking them to be a little more visible.

I would go up there this week, but no groupset on my bike till I get my upgrade on Monday

 

IF no-one has gotten out there by the beginning of next week, I will do it. I would think, right down past the dairy, where the little bridge is (closer to the gravel road), right up to the summit of Malans. That adds a little distance into the ride as well and there is a bit of a steep roller before the Dairy.

[Woofie]

On another note.

If they are going to be using this as a seeding event, then how are they going to calculate the "winners time" properly etc when there is only a handful of riders etc. etc. etc.

 

They should actually make a extra summer league event up there.

 

Then they will have all the best local riders (half of the giro bunch) setting some really good times.

 

I know wind on the event days will change results a bit, but then at least they have a realistic idea of what the times should be like.

 

Anyway....

In our dreams I suppose.

[Woofie]

There are a couple of markers up there already Woofie.

City Cycling Club has laid them down already. I think it just a case of remarking them to be a little more visible.

I would go up there this week, but no groupset on my bike till I get my upgrade on Monday

 

IF no-one has gotten out there by the beginning of next week, I will do it. I would think, right down past the dairy, where the little bridge is (closer to the gravel road), right up to the summit of Malans. That adds a little distance into the ride as well and there is a bit of a steep roller before the Dairy.

 

Would be nice to use that roller before the dairy as well. It is actually quite steep!

Pretty much where the tar road ends is the lowest part on that section, so starting it close to that side would work.

It is just going to be a whole lot harder trying to keep that power up for another km or two.

Will make us alot stronger I suppose though

 

Cool, thanks for offering to mark it out.

[I-FELT-the-FORCE]

Would be nice to use that roller before the dairy as well. It is actually quite steep!

Pretty much where the tar road ends is the lowest part on that section, so starting it close to that side would work.

It is just going to be a whole lot harder trying to keep that power up for another km or two.

Will make us alot stronger I suppose though

 

Cool, thanks for offering to mark it out.

 

 

Coolerbags Roller up tthe dairy will be added in, just for giggles . It is a steep old roller that one!

Does add abotu 1.5km to the climb as well, but for sure, it can only make us a stronger.

 

I will be marking it out over the weekend, even if I have to drive over there, just means that i am not going to be able to get a 100% accurate distance though. I will more than likely do it timed on Wednesday morning, so will then pass on the proper distance and time.

[Woofie]

Coolerbags Roller up tthe dairy will be added in, just for giggles . It is a steep old roller that one!

Does add abotu 1.5km to the climb as well, but for sure, it can only make us a stronger.

 

I will be marking it out over the weekend, even if I have to drive over there, just means that i am not going to be able to get a 100% accurate distance though. I will more than likely do it timed on Wednesday morning, so will then pass on the proper distance and time.

 

Awesome.

Thanks

Maybe just take some photos of exactly where you are setting the markers.

 

Then go home and use mapmyride to plot the route (look at the photos to get the exact spots). Zoom in nice and deep and put the points where we would cycle and then we will get a 99.9% accurate distance and incline etc.

Maybe even do a rough plot before going out so that we can mark the ride to exactly something. (ie. Not 4.54 km. ) So rather cut it back to 4.5 or extend it.

[Woofie]

If anyone is interested.

I just felt motivated to write a "wish list" email to the ppa. (I copied Eulogy in as well)

These never get answered, but I suppose we can carry on wishing.

 

 

 

Hi, I know this email is too late as the season has already "started" for league.

 

But the ppa did a hill climb TT the other day up malanshoogte.

 

The general feeling that I am getting from people is that they really like the idea of this, pity it was announced so late, but if it carries on running I am sure that we will see some keen attendance.

 

The reason for my mail is that I think it would be a really great idea to hold a league TT event up there. (If not now then in the future, and even recurring in spring and summer leagues)

Then we will get a regular accurate baseline of what a pro riders time should look like. (and of course if will be great to add a few extra events to a thinning out league)

 

I also believe that the road belongs to the farmers there (I am led to believe that they paid for it), so there is basically very little cost implications behind doing this.

 

If the ppa wants to use this as a "seeding event" then they will need to have a fairly good idea of what the real times should look like.

 

I know the one the other day was won by Theuns, and yes, he is a "Giro quality" rider. But the question is, would he have ridden it faster if it was a league event or would somebody else manage to take a chunk out of that time?

 

The downside of having these small time trials is that you will attract a few top riders, but not enough in number at one time to really put some heavy pressure on the guys to deliver the absolute best time possible.

 

Another up side to having a accurate idea of the times is that if you have any arguments over seedings (which ppa always has) then you can use these smaller TT events to quite accurately and quickly seed the people in the right groups.

(So instead of the long drawn out seeding process, if they can get a elite time on the hill then it is clear what they are capable of. No more motivating letters to David Clarke and manual adjustments, come and prove your fitness on the hill)

 

Maybe even a compulsory TT up there regularly for members wishing to maintain a decent seeding would be good. That will also help to control the group sizes. (So you will also demote riders who have lost total form between seasons)

 

I know that this will also cause some arguments from the guys like me who arent super skinny, but at least if we stick to one model then that is it. There is no more guessing how things are going to turn out. And everybody will then be on the same page for how things work.

No beta values on this hill or adjusted times, we run the best guys and get the best time and use that result.

 

Anyway, just add that to the "wish list".

[I-FELT-the-FORCE]

Awesome.

Thanks

Maybe just take some photos of exactly where you are setting the markers.

 

Then go home and use mapmyride to plot the route (look at the photos to get the exact spots). Zoom in nice and deep and put the points where we would cycle and then we will get a 99.9% accurate distance and incline etc.

Maybe even do a rough plot before going out so that we can mark the ride to exactly something. (ie. Not 4.54 km. ) So rather cut it back to 4.5 or extend it.

 

Exaclty what I was going to do. Take some pics of the points to look out for and the Road Markings for the TT. "Map My Ride" it for the exact diestanc ecovered and get a nice elevation of it as well.

I know that nowadays you need to be a "friend" of min in order to get teh routing and profile, but I will post the link here and see what sort of outcome there is from that. Next step would be for someone with a Garmin to actually do a profile of it with distance and elevation. Would be a LOT more acurate than my Sigma Rox 8.0.

 

Right then, I will start a thread when this is all done.

 

[Thornman]

 

I know the one the other day was won by Theuns, and yes, he is a "Giro quality" rider. But the question is, would he have ridden it faster if it was a league event or would somebody else manage to take a chunk out of that time?

 

 

 

@Woofie- dink verseker ek sou n beter tyd kon doen as dit n liga was of beter adverteer is.

Ek het maar terloops daar verby gery opad huistoe van my training ride en gesien daar gaan iets aan.

Gelukkig het ek R10 op my gehad om te enter. Glad nie ideal om n hill climb te doen nadat jy net klaar 135km gedoen het nie.

 

Sal like om te kyk hoe dit dan gaan.

Ten minste was hulle timming reg, presies dieselfde op my Garmin gekry.

 

Theuns

[Tankman]

Time Trials does not necessary have to be a hill climb, but I also support your idea Woofie.

I mentioned this to Eulogy last season - how about including in a proper TT in the "thinning out league" events as you put it.

40/30km on a flat circuit or there about.

 

We are all different types of riders and I for one am Not in favour of hill climb TT's

TT's will also shake up General Classification standings and is great for spectators to watch. Just you against the clock, no wheel sucking no drafting!

Not that difficult to find a flat piece of road on an out and back circuit either.

[Woofie]

@Woofie- dink verseker ek sou n beter tyd kon doen as dit n liga was of beter adverteer is.

Ek het maar terloops daar verby gery opad huistoe van my training ride en gesien daar gaan iets aan.

Gelukkig het ek R10 op my gehad om te enter. Glad nie ideal om n hill climb te doen nadat jy net klaar 135km gedoen het nie.

 

Sal like om te kyk hoe dit dan gaan.

Ten minste was hulle timming reg, presies dieselfde op my Garmin gekry.

 

Theuns

 

Wow, it seems crazy you saying you could have done it faster.

That was a really awesome run there man.

 

Hopefully next time they will advertise it properly and then it will be awesome to see what kind of times we could get!

 

Tell me, where exactly did they start and stop?

Did you see any lines in the road?