PPA and WP Cycling Association

[buckstopper]

Not out of charity though, surely. Anyway the CSA licencing should take care of that. I think we should scrap the largely irrelevant provincial bodies as I believe they are part of the old order problem. How about the clubs affiliating directly to CSA, no provinces, or associations, filtering down the voice of the silent majority.

[butafly]

from what i know, the ppa have until the end of this year to decide to stay in CSA (remember CSA = SACF and PPA) and a decision should have been taken at the ppa's 2007 AGM. i believe that the ppa wanted to delay the decision until their 2008 AGM. if they do pull out of CSA then they become a "rebel organisation" (my opinion only). the ppa have undergone a tremendous change over the last year or so (internal politics) and many people who were serving the ppa have left.  

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

yes, butafly, thats what I heard.

[HomerSimpson]

buckstop' date=' I agree with you. Its time the PPA'S power get cut to allow WPCA be the Western Cape Controlling body in Cycling SA.[/quote']

 

OK, to play the devils advocate here....with what personell will the WPCA run cycling?  Will they also organise the funrides etc, liase with traffic authorities to get permission for rides?  Or do you mean the PPA keeps doing all that but does what the WPCA tells it to do? 

The PPA has anywhere between 13000 and 18000 members (of which only about 8000 are active cyclists, according to Butafly), and there are what, 1000 licenced cyclists total in the Western Cape (WP and Boland combined).  If the PPA were not there, will all 8000 active members join clubs, take out licences etc?  If not, where is the money going to come from to keep recreational cycling going?

Can funrides be split from racing altogether?  According to the CSA, not.  In fact, the "recreational" licence that comes into being on January 1 was supposed to be much, much more expensive initially than the R20 it is going to be.  Rumor has it that the CSA wanted all cyclists to be fully licenced, until it was pointed out that in certain matters all licenced cyclists had equal votes.....

Should there be a situation where licenced riders should be allowed to race without belonging to the PPA?  For sure.  But if the PPA organizes and hosts an event which forms part of a racing/league series for their members, then surely you should be a member to participate?  Maybe a solution could be found where clubs could have registered members (fully licenced) entered for the leagues without being members of the PPA (with the understanding that they will be charged the non-member fee for riding that race), and of course these riders will have to take out temporary numbers if they wished to ride in any other PPA funride.

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

We need one Cycling body in the western cape. Staff can "merge" to do the admin. No one is going to loose their jobs, they just needs to become one.

 

 

 

with 2 legs (funride and Racing)

 

 

 

The detail after that will be easy to sort out.

 

 

 

BUT FIRST GET A DECISION TO BECOME ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

Homer, did the PPA and WPCA sat together and try to "picture" or work on a "COMBINED solution.

 

 

 

Something like a "koppestamp" session.

 

 

 

No cellphones, telephones, notes etc, just one big white bord were idees is throw around and pictured on a bord to look and try to find a structure?

 

 

 

What I heard, is that the 2 do not talk to each other.

 

 

 

PPA was invited to WPCA prisegiving, and they just ignore the invetation.

 

 

 

So, for me, looking from the sodeline.....

 

 

 

The PPA is the f*&^%rs that is busy derailing the process .

 

 

 

 

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

We need one Cycling body in the western cape. Staff can "merge" to do the admin. No one is going to loose their jobs' date=' they just needs to become one.

with 2 legs (funride and Racing)

The detail after that will be easy to sort out.

BUT FIRST GET A DECISION TO BECOME ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote']

 

agree , form one body (eg Cycling WP) with two dept. one for recreational cycling (ppa) and one for racing (wpca). the logistics can be worked out, its not rocket science  

[ORCA]

No cellphones' date=' telephones, notes etc, just one big white bord were idees is throw around and pictured on a bord to look and try to find a structure?


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no rugby games ...

[mdk555]

Kempo' date=' that wll be great.

It will "force" a split between the funride side and league ride side.

Maybe WPCA and the Boland Union must get together and try manage it as one. Seeing that all the guys are from boland and wp who ride league.

I just hope the WPCA can get a nice sponser helping then to "start-up" this and get the "league racing" out of the funride orginization.

Good luck. The clubs must just stand together in the first year, helping each other out and than after its a established racing league, do it like road running.[/quote'] The only problem with removing leagues from funrides is that this might just kill some funrides. Generally the funrides that have league status attrack more riders and as it is this PPA season, even with leagues, the numbers are down.

 

Just remember that 90% of todays league riders started with a Z number.

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

Mike, that theory is not tested.

 

 

 

What I'm saying is that the league can be on the same day as the funride.

 

 

 

The leuge and funride use the same road, permissions, officials, admin and equipment.

 

 

 

WPCA (or hopefully) CWP is a 2 legged thing.

 

 

 

The leugues start 6-6h30 / 6h30 -7h00 . and the funrides there after.

 

 

 

Give the "racing" a 30 min, get away, and start the second leg "social" after that.

 

 

 

Its still the same event , same place etc.

 

 

 

But its ONE BODY.

[Velouria]

Or what about the converse - do away with WPCA, and just have PPA, and make them responsible for racing and funrides (almost like they do at the moment)? And then the clubs affiliate to PPA?

 

 

 

[mdk555]

Mike' date=' that theory is not tested. What I'm saying is that the league can be on the same day as the funride.

The leuge and funride use the same road, permissions, officials, admin and equipment.

WPCA (or hopefully) CWP is a 2 legged thing.

The leugues start 6-6h30 / 6h30 -7h00 . and the funrides there after.

Give the "racing" a 30 min, get away, and start the second leg "social" after that.

Its still the same event , same place etc.

But its ONE BODY.[/quote']

It can work but there will have to discussions with event organizers and I am not referring to PPA as the logistics going into organizing something like the WCE is huge.  We normally start our day as early as 4am to set the route out, entry tables, getting marshals to their points and much more. You have no idea how much crisis management there is when you guys are waiting to start.

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Two years ago I stood in front of the Elites and refused to let them go until the marshals at the Big Bay intersection let me know that the T-cops arrived.  The other problem is available light vs big bunches and trust me you won?t get the T-cops out before 6.30. Why do you think that there is no T-cop at the start directing traffic into the WCE venue?

 

I agree 100% that there should be one body ensuring continuity at all events and be assured that I am willing  to assist with taking this to the next level.

[American Flyers]

I feel that PPA and WPCA must form in one group like other provinces. They need to work together and make it great.  I wonder if they don't want to work together. I am ashamed of WP trails and Elite league in past weekend. I wonder if CSA will sort the problem out. 

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

Yes, I do not say PPA or WPCA should be the one

 

 

 

Start fresh "CWP" = Cycling Western Province" or STORMERS Cycling, whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

Mike, everything still starts the same time, so you will still put up cones at 4 in the morning.

 

 

 

popeye2007-11-07 06:02:23

[Le Tour]

How much does the average Joburgh race cost?  How much does the average PPA race cost?

 

Le Tour2007-11-07 06:08:34

[Napalm]

 

 or STORMERS Cycling' date=' whatever.

 

 

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Will the people who join then have a lot of talent but fail to perform season after season?