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Sheeez Slowbee ! Don't you get it ? He IS offended. No debate needed. The only question left to answer is why don't you apply the rules as stated ? Why do you uphold your context and belief above his ?

That's it, the lines are not clearly defined. Blame lawyers for this. But that is the way as it stands in the rules. So change it, but in the mean time apply it consistently as it is. If someone reports a post and says he is offended, can you say he must not be ?

Why does it matter how I feel? I am not complaining. He is. I just defend his right to complain about feeling offended, and to ask for the rules to be applied consistently.

So your context should have preference above others' that feel offended ?

Does it matter how I feel ?

That's not his point. The rules state, " or contributions that could be interpreted as such" He has said how he, and apparantly others, felt. No more interpretation or judgement needed by a moderator on behalf of others. Now just be consistent and follow the rules.

you make my point. thank you. the issue is not what you think, but what some others might think, or did think. this were clearly demonstrated, yet nothing was done. this did not need interpretation or judgement from other moderators, the tribe has spoken, or in this case , thehub

The problem is, there is not a great deal of consistency in moderation. Some moderators just might not like a poster, and then use their own "interpretation" of the rules to delete a post or give a warning, without any means of the offender to object or debate such action. This is grossly unfair and undemocratic as per SA law. The "definitions" used in the rules are also very vague and can be interpreted differently depending how biased a moderator might be. There was a good example recently where an ex moderator clearly made an inciting/degenerating comment towards a female poster which might have been interpretated negatively personally, and indeed was, but such post was not deleted or any warning given. This is double standards.

My son was suspected to have this so called EIA as well. A prescribed dose of cortisol just made it a lot worse. A terrible period of hell followed for 3 months where the best lung specialists and doctors could not find help him get better with all tests you can think of, including Xrays and CT scans. He tried about all the pumps and names mentioned in this thread. At one stage we had about 5 or 6 pumps, plus nebulizer,, supplements, etc , etc . In the end the specialist gave up and said he had to have pshycological problems causing anxiety and that causes his lungs to close. They wanted to put him on axiety meds. We refused and I started my own research and manged to find out what was wrong with him. Anyway, long story short, below is an interesting article that many of you might find interesting. It certainly helped my son. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6184 At minimum, if your doctor isn’t aware that too little thyroid hormone regulation can cause breathing problems, share this special report with him or her. The doctor may use the information not only to relieve your breathing problem, but to help other patients, too. Asthma. Some inhalants patients use to relieve their asthmatic symptoms work by stimulating beta2-adrenergic receptors in the bronchial tubes.[28] Stimulating the receptors dilates the tubes and constricts blood vessels in their lining, which dries mucous secretions. These effects of the inhalants relieve shortness of breath, coughing, and wheezing respiration.[25,p.207] An alternative to using the inhalers is to increase the number of beta2-adrenergic receptors in the bronchial tubes by taking an effective daily dose of thyroid hormone.[33] T3 is especially useful for this purpose. In 1991, Egyptian researchers treated 23 asthmatic children with T3.[29] The children weren't hypothyroid. During the 30 days of treatment, they continued to use their usual anti-asthma drugs as needed, but they reduced their doses as low as they could. The researchers wrote, "They [the children] all reported at the end of the 30 days an obvious subjective improvement of their asthmatic conditions with a decrease in the number of exacerbations. Seven patients stopped their usual anti-asthmatic medicines, being maintained on T3 only and 3 have decreased the amount of bronchodilators needed. A significant improvement of pulmonary function tests was noted in all patients." According to the researchers, "All patients tolerated well the T3 regimen without any adverse effect." They concluded that T3 induced beneficial effects: T3 "proves to be a useful adjuvant to classic anti-asthma therapy, and may reduce the amount of bronchodilators needed." Other researchers reported that patients with asthma became hypothyroid from using iodine-containing expectorants. After becoming hypothyroid, their asthma worsened. The worsening of the asthma was relieved, however, when the patients stopped using the expectorants and their thyroid function became normal again.[27] Another group of researchers took hypothyroid children off thyroid hormone for a month. By the end of the month, the children's bronchial tubes became more reactive to antigens. (Heightened reactivity of the bronchial tubes to antigens, of course, is the basis of allergy-induced asthma.) The children then resumed their thyroid hormone therapy. Their bronchial tubes, however, remained more reactive to antigens for two more months. Finally, after twenty more days, their bronchial tubes became normally reactive to antigens.[26]

Did you tell your doctor/urologist that you are on a VLC diet for a while now ? It is known that these diets can cause kidney problems in people with suspect kidneys.

Be careful of going too far ito weight loss. A ketogenic diet/VLC diet is semi starvation, especially if you see the amount of calories the people on this experiment ate. Google "The great starvation experiment" by Tucker. I bought the book. Very good read and fascinating. Google some images of the topic. Read this blog post, http://rajganpath.co...eriment-part-1/ Body temperature dropped from 98.6 to 95.8 F and subjects constantly complained that they were unable to bear even the mildest drop in temperatures. Heart rate dropped from 55 to 35 bpm. Body fat dropped from 14% to 5%. Edema (water retention resulting in swollen joints) was prevalent in the camp.

I'll make it very easy for you. You think you have it all figured out. You think "my science" is wrong and can somehow prove it, although you have not given anything to do that yet ... But hey, I am a sporting guy, I'll make a bet with you, name an amount, let's say R500, you disprove Anthony Colpo's science in his articles that I posted, and I'll pay you, if you don't, you pay me ? Game ? Put up or shut up. Let's get this over and done with.

MD normally just test TSH and if that is in range they declare that thyroid function is normal. This is however not correct in many many cases. You have to test the full range of thyroid hormones, like the total T4, free T4, total T3, free T3 , reverse T3, thyroid anti-bodies, and TSH. Even then if your body temp in the morning is below 36.2 and don't get up to 36.8 in late afternoon early evening, you might still have thyroid hormone problems, not necessarily due to your thyroid itself, but also at the cell level or inability to convert T4 to T3 in the liver. Many things to consider. That is why I ask what his heart rate is also. It is way too low imo. It prob means his BMR is very low or far below normal, which could indicate improper metabolism and too little CO2 production and too high lactic acid production which causes hypoxia and possibly anemia. He might also have a kidney problem( he hints at it ) which can be the primary cause of anemia, or a secondary manifestation effect of being in an improper metabolic state. Either way it is very important that he make 100% sure his thyroid hormone homeostasis is working correctly at all levels because if not, that could be the cause of all his problems, and it could become worse with other illnesses as well. Roux, you are not a little bit yellow in colour these days ?

How do you know your thyroid function is 100 % ? What did you test for this? What is your body temperature when you wake in the morning ? Your HR when you wake ?

Did you even try researching for yourself, Google and Pubmed are good starting places ... start here, for a quick first few, it will get late once you finish searching and reading them all, http://anthonycolpo.com/why-low-carb-diets-are-inferior-for-strength-muscle-gains/ http://chriskresser.com/intermittent-fasting-cortisol-and-blood-sugar I’ve seen this time and time again with my patients. Almost all of my patients have blood sugar imbalances. And it’s usually not as simple as “high blood sugar” or “low blood sugar”. They often have a combination of both (reactive hypoglycemia), or strange blood sugar patterns that, on the surface, don’t make much sense. These folks aren’t eating a Standard American Diet. Most of them are already on a paleo-type or low-carb diet. Yet they still have blood sugar issues. In these cases, cortisol dysregulation is almost always the culprit. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12654976 Elevated beta-hydroxybutyrate and cortisol levels were observed in all children on the KD. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3573976?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3564212/ Cortisol excretion measured with a 24-hour urine collection (LF: 50 [41 to 60] μg/d; LGI: 60 [49 to 73] μg/d; VLC: 71 [58 to 86] μg/d; P=0.005) Thats nearly 50% higher cortisol !

I still wait for the day that you actually contributes something intelligent, rather than try your best to do adhominem attacks . This thread IS about LCHF, the good and the bad ... You should try to up your blood glucose a little... it is known to improve cognitive dissonance BTW, on gout/ high uric acid (which you developed for the first time on a LC diet, at the age of 25 ) A ketogenic diet impairs the ability of the kidney to excrete uric acid, due to competition for transport between uric acid and ketones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperuricemia

You mean, someone that thinks the same as you, who disregards the negative aspects of a ketogenic or VLC diet and just highlights the possible positive short term effects (which I don't deny there is btw) ? This seems a bit close minded imo, as a doctor's responsibility would be to objectively evaluate your health and long term consequences of any intervention or treatment. If your health suddenly declines after a year or 2 or 3, are you going to search for another doctor again ? One of the consequences of a chronic VLC or ketogenic diet is elevated adrenaline and/or cortisol levels (together with lower testosterone and T3 hormone levels ) . Go do a bit research of the effects of long term elevated cortisol levels on health. If you suddenly start breaking bones for no reason, you will know what diet to blame. Also a lot of that calsium that leaks out of your bones get to be deposited in your other body cells like heart muscle, leading to ultimate cell death. But hey, at least you will be able to say you lost a lot of weight ! That's positive !

Paleo is not the same as LCHF. And why would you want a doctor that thinks the same as you? Would it not be better to have impartial advice ? After all, it should be objective measurements, not biased opinions, not ?

It's obvious. I don't like Dave Tapson either. But not for the sake of me being contrarian or he being a low carb zealot. He is just plain s....d . Unable to understand scientific studies or just being unable to think logically overall. Just in this post above he cherry picks again what he wants to believe, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I dare Dave Tapson to disprove anything I have posted regarding evidence that sugar or potatoes is not bad for your health in moderation. He has not done so yet despite so publicly trying so hard. Also try to keep it to unpersonal remarks Dave, since if the moderators come calling, I can at least say you started it. Again .

Gut inflammation certainly play a role according to Ray Peat as well. “I think hypothyroidism and bowel inflammation are the important thinks in gout. Raw carrot salad and aspirin, and correcting thyroid function, usually take care of it.” Check your thyroid function as well ASAP. LCHF destroys thyroid function over time.

Sorry to hear that. LCHF could have contributed due to low blood sugars and exhausted adrenal hormones. Start reading here : http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/tissue-destruction.shtml

Yes, very good article. Summing it up very nicely. PUFA's block the efficient use and metabolism of glucose by the body cells, and from there a lot of the trouble starts. Stress and estrogen also play a big role, and they work synergistically with PUFA's, with continuous negative feedback loops.

Some times a picture tells a thousand words ... I am trying to eliminate, as close to zero as possible, all PUFA's from my diet, and substitute with Saturated fats like coconut oil and butter. It can take up to 4 years, with a good PUFA free diet, to reduce 50 - 75 % of stored PUFA's in body cells. It's a long term process back to health and vitality for those severely effected by bad diets in the past.

A new review study about the negative effects of excess Omega 3 oils. Prof Tim Noakes tweeted about this as well. I think in the years to come more and more research are going to show this. What is the true limit, or maybe, it's not "essential" at all ? Immunomodulation by dietary long chain omega-3 fatty acids and the potential for adverse health outcomes http://www.plefa.com/article/S0952-3278%2813%2900192-0/abstract

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