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I thought they got rid of Wayne years ago???

It may be even more fun if you have been immersed, to be honest. to have some confirmation that what we were seeing (and suspecting), might actually have been true. I rememebr some of the races he speaks of vividly, especially some of the earlier ones when they were first starting out with USP, and many questions are being answered satisfactorily. For me the biggest stamp of approval the accuracy of the book has, so far, is that I haven't heard of a single one of the named people in the book trying to sue Hamilton or Coyle, or try to have the book stopped - remember LA has done this before with Walsh. That he is not doing so this time, speaks volumes. Or maybe he has just given up...

Oh dear Who decided to bring the facts to this party??? Good response.

Spoon made out of Gallium. http://www.disappearingspoons.com/

Government would be a joyride compared to the hub.

Yup, he is at his best in this Vuelta, this is my earlier statement I was talking about, that got shot down. I don't think he was riding below his best possible level at that time, and I don't think he is now. His attack and success today proves I was right in my assessment in the quote above, methinks. Unless you are misunderstanding what I was trying to say then?

Not quite - I think I said we were seeing 'Berto at his best, and was shot down. Doesn't seem like such a silly statement now, does it? But then, what do I know about cycling.

Like fillet, better with age...

Educate me? What am I missing?

His time trial was a little out of form? Actually, quite a lot out of form. Hid climbing I buy - even though I didn't expect him to ride as well on the long climbs, motivation must be pretty high right now. The TT, quite a big jump in improvmement in his worst discipline...

Unless he starts eating meat again, I think this is a fair reflection of his best form. Purito worries me. Maybe he has been eating 'Berto's share.

Nice.

How appropriate.

Well, that proved it was a justified inclusion into the final. Very proud. Arnaud Malherbe agrees that the appeal should never have been upheld, and he has raced this event, at this level. Which is probably why he is not on the hub

Just as well, without the Huisgenoot moments, the Olympics would be worthless.

Oh for heaven's sake. Read before responding and take the time to understand. Why would they be testing for stuff that disadvantages athletes, anywhere, in any sport? Sigh.

No, it doesn't, but while there is doubt he should not be allowed to use them in competition.

Things that disadvantage athletes are rarely tested.... Doh. Actually, the IAAF does take into consideration his conditions as an amputee. It is called the Paralympics.

Seriously? He has brought technology and mechanical advantage into a space where equipment that will give an advantage is expressly banned... Shoes 2. Athletes may compete barefoot or with footwear on one or both feet. The purpose of shoes for competition is to give protection and stability to the feet and a firm grip on the ground. Such shoes, however, must not be constructed so as to give an athlete any unfair additional assistance, including by the incorporation of any technology which will give the wearer any unfair advantage. A shoe strap over the instep is permitted. All types of competition shoes must be approved by IAAF. He is incorporating technology to get to the level of a 'normal' person. (He would have us believe.) The IAAF has got this wrong, I think, by not being strong enough to say no, probably presuming he would never get to a level where it would become more than just a curiosity (and great marketing for them!) Now they have a problem on their hands. And kinda have to side with the experts Pistorius has found to say "no advantage", or they will lose face. Not the first sporting federation to make poor decisions and not have the guts to face up to them. A certain Sysmex machine springs to mind.

If testing is incomplete, then he should not be allowed to compete outside his category until it is, surely?

Where did i question how hard he has worked? I think I credited him with working just as hard as the rest of the guys at the Olympics. Read a bit slower. (With apologies, I have tried not to get personal with you here, but you have made it difficult.) Search the forum, please. Have a look at the battles I have had with those numbnuts who diss this country from their new homes overseas. Amongst others. Making assumptions about my attitude towards my country is a nice diversion, I presume you have no other way of getting your point across. Again, you are bringing emotion into an argument where we should look at pure science and fact. If you are happy to do that, be my guest. I reserve the right to be unhappy with the special treatment this athlete has received. I don't think it is right. No bitterness, just a sense of what is right, rather than what is fluffy and feel-good. I am sorry if that offends you, but sometimes what is right is not what is popular.

I have every right to draw my own conclusions. As have you to buy his 'just treat me as normal' schpiel (again, my opinion). If that is possible without gaining an unfair advantage over people who have worked just as hard as he has to be at the Olympics, then wonderful. I don't see it that way. If SA medals in the relay, I hope the fourth-placed team sues the crap out of our federation and the international federation. I believe Oscar's story is one of the most amazing triumphs of human spirit. BUT. Can we let that cloud judgement? If there is even doubt as to the advantage his prostheses give, then the benefit should be given to the able-bodied guys.

Possibly they should. It is slightly different from the Pistorius situation though, I don't think anybody would see his reduced bodyweight as an advantage if he lined up on the start without his prostheses.

His carfeully-chosen scientist seem to think his prostheses don't give him an advantage. The impartial ones seem to think they do. Common sense says they do. As I said, remove the emotion.

No jealousy at all. Reality. He has a mechanical advantage over guys wuthout carbon springs in their shoes. That his story is overwhelmingly amazing needs to be put to one side, and we need to look at the stark reality. Would Natalie du Toit be allowed to swim with a flipper on a prosthesis?