Agteros1

No tools required for an engine revving!

No exile. just abstinence from 'warriors'. I don't need pity, just more people to laugh with me... Anyway, my leash is short.. Just now they choke me here again (God knows why!) ooh.. yes! The nature of the beast Enjoy the happy (non)community! http://cdn.motinetwork.net/demotivationalposters.net/image/demotivational-poster/1008/censorship-t-ts-censored-sarcastic-smiley-face-demotivational-poster-1282186266.jpg

People take the 'rant &rave' much too seriously. It should actually be called "Cycling Related Topics" and not something that invites people to attempt to act all grown up 5 year... Over all the pages I've made reference to the manner of the OP and resultant posts thereafter. Even referring to family that was brought into the 'rant & rave' by another... What do I get for MY efforts to indicate the childishness of the manner of all this....? Argh But luckily I'm turning to running as from tomorrow 5am. Their forums are more factual, more running, more tongue in the cheek, and less equipment, less ego, less 'look at me' (Emperors clothes, anybody? ) If you want to cycle with me, I'll do the occasional Tour de Lounge on my running rest days. Hlala kahle!!!

Only when you post the segment to Strava. Then the WHOLE of cycledom (The hub will automatically assume key lynchmod role) will go on a crusade against you

Seems like I should stop doubting after the Epic news Depends what she was flexible on: scruples, morals, medicine, couch... ... OK, can't seem to find downside on this

Some should race in that category - based on where some of the 'medicines' allegedly come from and not in Veteran Men (40+)

Good that they start testing amateurs / non-elite riders. However it will open a big can of worms for those who are competitive AND take all kinds of medicine (for apparent legitimate reasons). To those who are not taking 'medicine' for legitimate health reasons: Good!!! Testing outside the elite groups is LONG overdue!

Hey Nance, a bike is a bike is a bike! Especially those that you have to pedal yourself!

All very true, and if people will rather get of their high horses, and just ride their bicycles. Imagine the motoring forums with posts about every perceived / observed wrong being debated to death on there. It does not happen! Does make you wonder about the mentality in the cycling (non)community to attack 'their own', rather to educate 'their own' in a constructive manner, and accept that not everybody's behaviour will be changed over night!

Hope they have enough tubes for people stop over to buy something small to 'check out' the establishment and owner / employees! Traffic on Beyers Naude is flowing smoothly in both directions at the moment Just be careful of the speed traps in the dip close to the shop, as well as random locations between them and the highway!

Agree to disagree is the most likely outcome in most scenarios. Does not help to beat each other over the head until they 'agree'. This goes for road users and forum users

Go speak to Alex and them. Who cares what the rant & ravers think! Their actions are not unique, every group err to the wrong side of the line (even those with an IQ of ..) Alternatively you can trek out to Rosebank on weekday mornings(Tue-Fri) for an ICG ride starting at 5am. - but then they've been tarred and feathered as well. Just like the Engen2Engen group, just like the big clubs (also riding in the Cradle). And do not even talk about the rides in Alberton over weekends! Suggestion: Do not get pulled down/sucked in by all the negativity on here!

Some points: No omerta(denying issues),but there are different ways of dealing with it. Not everything has to be dealt with in the way a 5 year old will do it! Talking to the people who 'wronged' / SAPS is the correct way. No getting around that. Washing dirty laundry in public leads to much laughter and finger pointing from outside, and greatly detracts from the issue you are trying to address. True, the title is 'Rant & Rave", however it is just an arbitrary name for items cycling related (which this is), it does not imply, not implore you to behave like an petulant child / unmannered (barbaric), uneducated, illiterate person... The rest of the road users see cyclists as a homogeneous group, so better we start acting as such(one for all and all for one stuff), or alternatively actively change the perceptions out there w.r.t to cyclists being a group. Although, even if we convince the world that cyclists hate each other and want nothing to do with each other, we will stay a distinct class of road user. This will unfortunately lead to the further dilution of "our" rights to/on the road Because somebody has a 'different'/Euro-centric/contracdictory view of road use, does that automatically disqualify that person from being 'nice'? Considered the fact that he veered offline because he was looking back at the danger being called from behind / he was riding "defensively" to protect the group (put his own body on the line to protect his protegees)? How many Argus participants were killed by the actions you described? (Thank goodness you were not involved in an accident when you strayed to the other side of the solid white line - Irrespective of whether you are an Argus participant or not!) Cyclists are a special class (of road users), but there are many of them: Motor vehicle users, pedestrians, horse & carriage users, etc. Each of them have special needs & requirements - no getting around that. The trick is to balance all these different requirements so each group can still functionally use the road (together)! Don't be surprised if your 'rant & rave' does NOT have the effect your are dreaming of! Talking to them might be more conducive to a positive response. I have lodged cases at Honeydew Police station before (2: assault AND vehicle accident), and found them effective and correct in doing their job. Yeah, sure patience is required, but patience will stand you in good stead everywhere - Like staying behind an errant group of cyclists whilst waiting for a safe place to overtake!) 'spruit use is governed not by laws, but by etiquette. And dare I say that MTBers continuously annoy other users of said public space? things like 'buzzing' dogs, forcing pedestrians (elderly too!) off the footpath (oh sorry.. singletrack!) Pity you are not willing to take it up with NC. It would have afforded you the opportunity to get to know more people in the cycling (non)community, or their motives for certain actions... Sadly, this is another opportunity lost for cyclists to help other cyclists to constructively clean their own (non)house.

I never defended anybody breaking the law, I do however take issue with the barbarian mob mentality exhibited by a few on here. There are channels to resolve issues. IQ of 2 should take it up with the people involved (they are IDd by their clothing), without being a keyboard hero on the hub, and also (or alternatively) take the issue up with SAPS / Metro) Cyclists going 'after' cyclists in the manner hubbers exhibit is just uncouth! It just makes it so much easier for 'other groups' to take 'our' own rights & defences away if 'we' can't even stand together. I.E. there are ways of doing this, but to wash dirty laundry in public like hubbers do are definitely NOT one of those ways! Eagerly awaiting the feedback from the OP w.r.t. his 'chat' with the people mentioned in the first post, or alternatively a SAPS case number Until then, all this is, is just hot air by hot heads!

You are amazing! Go read your own posts - you advocated much more than going over there and speaking to them. And help the OP to grow his IQ please. You are welcome to appoint your own deputies. 'Die bende' is another group

Pasop vir die bende! Anyway, ek nog steeds 'n probleem met die 'taking law into own hands' sentiments. It implies that you place yourself ABOVE the law. And that is simply not on, irrespective of how much righteous indignation you experience! Moet asseblief nie slapelose nagte deursweet omdat ek nie daarvan hou dat jy jouself bo die wet verhewe het nie! Jy is skynbaar te belangrik daarvoor, so kalmeer, en slaap lekker! And do not let the deputy_ title go to your head, let the OP state his case to the alleged offenders himself. I do however doubt that will happen. If he had the cojones(as in "tener cojones") to do that, he would not have ranted on an internet forum like a spoilt brat, but rather have gone down to the shop and speak to them mano-a-mano. And to all who think that I'm defending the alleged incident: NO, I am not. I am taking issue with the peanut gallery on the side line throwing sticks and stones about. There are very clear laws and rules w.r.t. road usage (vehicles AND motor vehicles). Sadly, these rules are ignored by the majority of road users today. And this cuts across 'machines' being used, race, gender, age, location!

Oom Hendrik, wag laat ek dit skrap, jy is oom en dit wat dit impliseer nie werklik werd (hier op die hub) nie. Weet nie hoe jy in die werklikheid is nie, maar stel eintlik ook nie werklik belang nie! Ok, hier gaan ek. Die hele "Like This" ding is heeltemal eensydig, so laat Admin die volledige reputasie ding implementeer sodat ons nie net "yes men" kommentaar en treiteringe aanpor nie. Dit help nie om die wat NIE saamstem stil te maak, en net die peanut gallery aanpor om omgewonde te raak nie!

And "run-off" sand from drive-ways, and ... runners

My, oh my... the wild west! Take law in own hands to teach those who take law in own hands a lesson by own hands!!! Cowboys, re-unite! Find a tree, bring a rope! Only certain people (hubbers) have the right to transgress (all in the name of the law, apparently!) KIng_Crispy, you shall henceforth be known as Deputy_Crispy! Actually, we SO need a dislike function (and a threshold limit) on posters/posts!

Alex and Neil are two different individuals. Both have hub profiles, latter has not been here in a few years...

You don't know half of it. She has had a pretty decent road bike for many a year now!

To everybody who is poking a righteous finger at NC: What have you done about this perceived (only one eye witness) alleged wrong? To the OP: Have you taken the matter up with the identified individual, or have you reported it to the police? to the hubbers: This exact thread is the reason why as stated earlier, the hub is sidelined by those actually participating in cycling activities. Too much finger pointing and self righteous chin wagging going on here. Cyclists(read hubbers) are just too fond of fighting and pointing fingers at other cyclists. Never, EVER, will there be a 'cycling community' with idjuts fighting amongst themselves. Amazing how cyclists (read hubbers) can point fingers at cyclists 'transgressing', but in the same breath (read paragraph) admit to breaking the law... To be frank, the mind boggles!

You roadie, you!

True G, but hubbers have been quite successful to marginalise the hub as a 'voice'/platform for cyclists. The nett effect is that legitimate complaints are treated as just the whinings of a bunch of of internet trolls/kids, who do little for cycling other than standing on the sidelines and shouting abuse.. Some might not agree, but that is the perception out there...

Hendrik, please indicate where I make out the OP as a liar.