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  1. That would definately lead to a divorce... If you ride as a pair then the combined output (and improvement) is what matters.
  2. I thought this was a good explanation; What Is Functional Threshold Power (FTP)? The term "threshold" has become synonymous with the word "confusion" in the minds of many athletes. There are many different words for essentially the same thing: anaerobic threshold (AT), lactate threshold (LT), maximal lactate steady state (MLSS), onset of blood lactate (OBLA), and just plain old "threshold." It seems that there are just as many possible definitions, with different versions of the concept based on heart rate, blood lactate, wattage, and so on. As a result, even in many scientific articles the authors have to present their "own" definition to clarify what they are talking about. For more than thirty years, exercise physiologists have known that the exercise intensity at which lactate begins to accumulate in a person's blood-that is, his or her functional lactate threshold (LT)-is a powerful predictor of that person's endurance performance ability. This is because although an individual's cardiovascular fitness-that is, his or her maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max)-sets the upper limit to his or her rate of aerobic energy production, it is the individual's metabolic fitness-that is, LT-that determines the percentage or fraction of this VO2max that he or she can utilize for any given period of time. The physiological factors determining functional lactate threshold are complex, but essentially, blood lactate levels serve as an indirect marker for biochemical events within exercising muscle. More specifically, a person's LT reflects the ability of his or her muscles to match energy supply to energy demand, which in turn determines the fuel "mix" (i.e., carbohydrate versus fat) used and the development of muscle fatigue. Consequently, functional lactate threshold-especially when expressed in terms of power output, which also takes into account cycling efficiency-is the single most important physiological determinant of performance in events ranging from something as short as a 3 km pursuit to a stage race lasting as long as three weeks. Just as important, because the effort that is experienced by an athlete when exercising at any given intensity is dependent upon his or her power output relative to power at LT, this parameter provides a physiologically sound basis around which to design any power meter-based training program. Functional threshold power is the highest power that a rider can maintain in a quasi-steady state without fatiguing for approximately one hour. When power exceeds FTP, fatigue will occur much sooner, whereas power just below FTP can be maintained considerably longer. So, how do you go about determining your functional threshold power? One way is via laboratory testing with invasive blood sampling, but few people have access to such testing on a regular basis. In addition, power at LT as determined in this manner is often significantly below what athletes and coaches tend to think of as a "threshold." A more convenient and possibly more accurate way of determining your FTP is to simply rely on data collected using your power meter in the field. There are a number of different ways to do this, each of which has its advantages and disadvantages, but all of which provide very similar estimates of threshold power. With all these different ways to test your FTP, you may wonder which one to start with. We believe that the best way to begin is to just go out and do a ride specifically designed to find your threshold, such as the one described in the next section. This is without a doubt the first big step in your new adventure in training with power.
  3. Not sure you can choose to simply leave them out... Muscle fibre type and physiological make up (genetics) If they have the same power to weight over the given duration then they will climb at the same rate - we see it all the time. Over shorter climbs like Chapmans or Suikerbossie for example, we saw all the sprinters stay with David George in the Argus. Had those climbs been 30 mins long then he would have likely dropped them due to the fact that he can sustain the necessary power/weight for a longer duration than they can.
  4. No need to do 2 of those three - measure the power effectively and use it to set accurate zones to use for training. Fundies - none of the ones I know do it this way BikeMax2007-06-12 00:34:40
  5. You are very sure of your position, and I am happy to accept that. My one request is that, after a fair period of time (say 6 months) of both training with, and coaching an athlete with a power meter, that you agree to review this thread and post your findings. As a close I want to post a reply that Kempo got to a question re this issue, on Wattage forums. The guy (Alex Simmons) who replied is one of the leading coaches in Australia and it summarises my thinking on the topic; "I think you'll get the range of views similar to the spectrum you've outlined. Use what you think is important information to help you train/coach I say. That may include an athlete's HR. I personally don't train or coach with HR (unless I have no choice) and don't even wear a HR strap. It just didn't tell me much. Sometimes fatigue would be on days with high HR, other days suppressed HR. For me personally, it was inconsistent as a guide to intensity on a bike but others may be different. Power has been a godsend. However, I don't dissuade athletes from using their HR recording, you just never know when a medical issue might be picked up. I would rather rely on athlete's diary notes than HR to validate signs the power data is telling me (e.g. no further gains being made, trouble with completing set workouts etc). And when combined with the Performance Manager, that's a pretty powerful set of data to work with. Alex "BikeMax2007-06-11 23:47:25
  6. I am no doctor and after years seeing people suddenly keel over in the gym, I am very cautious. The facts you state tend to make me think there is no underlying problem and that risk factors are relatively low - others might be; 1. Over weight / High fat diet 2. Smoker 3. High stress BP looks good and the lack of any history is very good news. If she only experinces shortness of breath with increased intensity then it may simply be lack of fitness. I would keep a close eye on her and ensure that all progression is very slow and measured - any discomfort then stop and rest.
  7. Be a little cautious Big H - a response like this can indicate some sort of cardiovascular problem and you may be advised to get a check up (exercise ECG or similar) It may well be just poor fitness but better to be safe.
  8. Two very different things; Power Cranks - a product that "claims" to improve power via improved pedalling efficiency (very questionable claims at that - go to http://www.cyclingforums.com/t385334.html and you will be able to read all the various debates) Power meter - a tool that measures power output that can be used to improve training efficiency if used correctly. The big difference is that how you use Power Cranks is dictated to you by the design and instructions whereas how you use a power meter is up to you or a coach. Once makes questionable claims, the other makes no claims other than to measure your output accurately. No brainer.
  9. Very few in my experience - and I also find that the majority of PM users look at HR less and less as time progresses and they see the benefits of training with power, and the lack of any real extra benefit that HR provides ( in many cases it simply muddies the water and can undermine a session very easily)
  10. Agree with that
  11. Rather than simply accepting what Carmichael and Burke say - why not look at the facts ? Maybe science has moved on a little ... Wattage is a direct measure of output. HR is a measure of the body's response to that output - affected by many other variables. Given the chance to measure something directly as opposed to indirectly, which do you think is better ? Whitesox - a question for you: If it takes 300w (for arguments sake) over 3 hours to win a race, and you are able to put out that 300w, do you care what your HR is doing ?
  12. No - but the point is that using HR as a guide to your training intensity does not allow you to know if it is in fact an E2 ride @ 250w or not.. The intensity of any session and the training principles applied are not the issue here - the issue is being able to accurately measure exercise intensity as opposed to the body's response to that exercise. If you were to ride a steady interval at a given power for 60 minutes it would very likely be a significantly different power than if you were to ride a 60 minute interval at a given HR. Under normal circumstances the HR would drift up over the course of the interval and so if you were using HR as a guide then power would be drifting down over the course of the interval (making the session far less effective) HR is also affected by stress, fatigue, heat, caffeine and other variables that are not easy to compensate for when training. Bottom line - measuring output directly is always going to be better than measuring the body's response to that output.
  13. The funny thing is we proposed a product to VA a few months ago - a spin class to power (on the Cyclops PT300 bikes) - effectively a class for cyclists that would not only be structured around suitable intervals but also to each individual's power level - couldn't get a bite as they felt it was too specialised. I really feel that there is a great opportunity for group suffering here - with a real training benefit.
  14. FTP by definition is the power you can sustain for 60 mins. Some great articles here; http://www.bikemaxpower.com/training
  15. Thanks Craig - enjoying it very much so far.
  16. I use a Gerber head torch and find it works great for when I venture outside - otherwise as Bruce says, re establish a workable FTP indoors.
  17. BikeMax

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    Course he had to work - thats not the point I am making. When somebody weaker than you hangs on by doing nothing and missing turns continually then jumps past at the finish then that lacks a certain integrity. LIke I said - wait until you are on the receiving end
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    Big difference between following the wheel and making the racing in terms of effort and power output.. Just chat to 101%, Marco or Bruce about guys sucking wheel and then winning... When it happens to you we can talk...
  19. BikeMax

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    Well to be the only one to hang on to George's wheel after George rode the rest of the field apart I think so... Like I said I don't know the story but from what I can make out it looks like George hurt quite a few guys but just couldn't shrug Lange. So yes' date=' he does I think... Come on, this is Lange's last year of racing and to end off a brilliant career as SA's road champ, 370 (More to come) wins... GO LANGE!!!!!![/quote'] Cmon Jason - where'e the honour in being the last to survive if you have done nothing all day - he only survived cos all his team mates did the work (along with DG) DG took the racing to them and rode all of Langes team into the ground, at least he can hold his head high....
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