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Sorry for the long post, but here you go. Remember to add up the carbs - I stopped making smoothies when it kept pushing me out of ketosis, but I was adding A LOT of apples and pineapples to mine. 70 Green Smoothies... Here are 70 green smoothie recipes from the 1st Green Smoothie Challenge. Remember to use pure water and organic produce for maximum results. You may like to add more or less water to the recipes depending on how thick or thin you like your smoothies. Feel free to experiment and create your own recipes. The most important thing to add to your smoothies is 2-4 large handfuls of dark, leafy green vegetables. Victoria Boutenko's Favourite Blend well: 6 leaves of red leaf lettuce 1/4 bunch of fresh basil 1/2 lime (juiced) 1/2 red onion 2 celery sticks 1/4 avocado 2 cups of water Sergei Boutenko's Favourite Blend well: 5 kale leaves (green) 1/2 bunch of fresh dill 1/2 lime (juiced) 3 cloves garlic 1/4 cup sundried tomatoes 2 cups of water Recipe #1 2-3 cups of greens of your choice, 2 cups papaya, 2 oranges No water necessary Recipe #2 1 handful lettuce leaves 1 handful mint 3 bananas 2 cups water Recipe #3 4-5 kale leaves 3 apples 1/2 lemon juiced 2 cups of water Recipe #4 3-4 stalks celery 2 ripe persimmons 1 banana 1 -2 cups water Recipe #5 1/2 head romaine lettuce, 1 cup pineapple, 1 large mango, 1-inch fresh ginger Recipe #6 2 -3 cups of your favourite grapes 1 handful parsley 2 handfuls of baby Spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #7 1 cup pineapple 1 banana 2 sticks of celery 1 handful of your favourite leafy greens Recipe #8 1/2 avocado 1/2 capsicum one small onion 2 cloves garlic one chilli 2 handfuls black cabbage 2 cups water Recipe #9 3 bananas a cup of papaya 4 big handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #10 2 bananas 1 apple 1 pear 2 handfuls of parsley 2 big handfuls of kale 2 cups of water Recipe #11 1 large dragon fruit 2 bananas 1 handful of parsley 1 small bunch of bok choy 2 cups of water Recipe #12 3 bananas 3 huge handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #13 2 bananas 1 dragon fruit 2 huge handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #14 2 bananas 1 apple 1 pear 2 handfuls of parsley 2 big handfuls of kale 2 cups of water Recipe #15 1 large dragon fruit 2 bananas 1 handful of parsley 1 small bunch of bok choy 2 cups of water Recipe #16 4 large ripe bananas 2 large handfuls of kale 1 small handful of parsley 1 handful of baby spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #17 1 apple 1 pear 2 bananas 1 1/2 cups of kale 1 stalk of celery 2 cups of water Recipe #18 2 cups of papaya 1 banana 2 cups of leafy greens of your choice 2 cups of water Recipe #19 3 cups of mango 1/2 medium sized romaine lettuce 1 cup of water Recipe #20 1/2 pint raspberries (fresh or frozen) 1/2 pint blueberries 2 bananas 3 big handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #21 1 apple 1 peach 1 nectarine 1 carrot 1/4 avocado 1 lemon (without peel or seeds) Then filled the blender (Vita mix) with parsley romaine lettuce chard 1 cup of water Recipe #22 Handful each of kale, parsley, mezclun 1 celery stick pineapple 1 banana. 2 cups water Recipe #23 1 cup papaya 1 orange 1/2 head romaine 1 big lovely bunch of red grapes. two stalks of celery 2 cups water Recipe #24 1 bunch coriander, 1 apple, 1"ginger 1 banana 1 cup water Recipe #25 2 handfuls baby spinach, 1 celery stick, 1 handful parsley, 1 Granny Smith apple 1/4 tsp ginger powder 2 cups water Recipe #26 3 handfuls baby spinach 2 celery stalks & leaves, 1 cup water, 1 green apple, 1 frozen lady finger banana a quarter of fresh pineapple Recipe #27 2 handfuls of carrot tops 2 stalks of celery 1 handful of sunflower sprouts 3 big red lettuce leafs 1 serving of aloe vera dried gel (from "Good Cause Wellness") 3 bananas 2 cups water Recipe #28 2 handfuls of baby spinach 2 kale leaves 1 serving of aloe vera dried gel 1 Granny Smith apple 2 oranges 1 cup of water Recipe #29 3 big green lettuce leaves 1 handful of sunflower sprouts 2 handfuls of baby spinach 1 serving of aloe vera 6-7 big strawberries 1 handful of blueberries 1 cup of water Recipe #30 2 bananas 6-7 strawberries 1 tablespoon of fresh aloe vera half a Cos lettuce 1 cup water Recipe #31 4 large ripe bananas, 2 large handfuls of kale, 1 small handful of parsley, 1 handful of baby spinach and 2 cups of water Recipe #32 1 apple 1 pear 2 bananas 1 1/2 cups of kale 1 stalk of celery 2 cups of water Recipe #33 2 cups of papaya 1 banana 2 cups of leafy greens of your choice 2 cups of water Recipe #34 3 cups of mango 1/2 medium sized romaine lettuce 1 cup of water Recipe #35 1/2 pint raspberries (fresh or frozen) 1/2 pint blueberries 2 bananas 3 big handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #36 3 bananas 3 huge handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water. Recipe #37 2 bananas 1 dragon fruit 2 huge handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water. Recipe #38 1 handful dandelion greens 1 handful parsley, 1 handful spinach, 1 banana, 1 orange 1 cup frozen raspberries Recipe #39 lots of kale juice from several lemonades (or lemons if unavailable) 1" square or ginger, finely chopped big dollop of honey generous slosh of sugar cane juice 1-3 tsp of coconut oil bit of water Recipe #40 3 bananas 1 cup of papaya, 4 big handfuls of baby spinach 2 cups of water Recipe #41 1 cup spinach, 1/2 inch ginger, 1 lemon, 1 cucumber, 2 celery 2 pears 1 cup water Recipe #42 1/2 avocado 1/2 capsicum one small onion 2 cloves garlic one chilli 2 handfuls black cabbage 2 cups water Recipe #43 Half a head of green leaf lettuce 2 bananas juice from 2 tangelos 1/2 a bag of frozen mangos 1 pear 1 cup of water Recipe #44 1 banana Handful of Strawberries Large Handful of Spinach Dab of Water Recipe #45 3-4 celery sticks 50 cent piece of grated ginger 1-2 apple or banana or pear (varied to what felt right that day) 2 cups water Recipe #46 1/2 cos lettuce, 1 apple 1 banana 1 cup dandelion greens 1 celery stick 1tablespoon of soaked chia seeds Recipe #47 1 lime 1 celery stick 1 cucumber 1 apple 1/2 ginger ginger 1 garlic clove parsley mint comfrey dandelion spinach or mushroom plant brahmi basil coriander asparagus fenugreek sprouts turmeric water Recipe #48 4 very ripe persimmons 1 stalk of celery 1 handful of baby spinach 1 handful of dill 2 cups of water Recipe #49 1 Large Pear 1" ginger 4 leaves of Romaine 1/2 a frozen banana Recipe #50 1/2 banana 1/2 pear juice of half an orange about a cup of parsley Recipe #51 2 large handfuls of spinach (organic) 2 large handfuls of mixed baby greens (organic) .5 cup alfalfa sprouts 1 Tbsp chia seeds 1 Tbsp flax seeds 2 slices of whole pineapple 1 small banana 1 cup water Recipe #52 2 bananas, 2 cups spinach, a stalk of celery and 2 cups of water Recipe #53 spinach--4 or 5 fists full cucumber--1 big or 2 small (frozen) green grapes--1 cup water--1/2c to 1c Recipe #54 3 bananas 1/2 a bunch of fresh dill 2 celery stalks 1/2 bunch of bok choy 2 cups water Recipe #55 one-half bunch of the following: dandelion parsley cilantro kale red russian kale 5 stalks of celery 1 mango about 10 strawberry 1 pear gel of whole aloe vera leaf a pinch of homemade green powder 1/4 cup water a few frozen grapes garnished with broccoli sprouts and bee pollen Recipe #56 1 orange, 1/2 head romaine lettuce 1 bunch red grapes two stalks of celery Recipe #57 3 handfuls of mixed baby spinach and celery stalks & leaves, 1 cup water, 1 green apple, 1 frozen lady finger banana and about a quarter of fresh pineapple Recipe #58 1 punnet of strawberries, 2 pears 3 small handfuls of baby spinach, 1 bunch of Chinese bok choy and 2 cups of water Recipe #59 1 handful of spinach (organic) 1 handful of romaine (organic) 1/2 ounce of Mint leaves (organic) or more if you like it really minty 3/4 or 1 pound of strawberries (organic) 1 banana (organic) 1 cup of filtered water Recipe #60 2 large glasses of water 2 large handfuls of baby spinach bunch of parsley little bit of kale banana pineapple papaya mango plus 1 tsp flax oil Recipe #61 1 apple 1 peach 1 nectarine 1 carrot 1/4 avocado 1 lemon (without peel or seeds) Then filled the blender (Vita mix) with parsley romaine lettuce chard 1 cup water Recipe #62 Handful each of kale, parsley, mezclun celery, 1 cup freshly squeezed pineapple juice, 1 banana. 1 cop water Recipe #63 2 bananas 3 large spinach leaves 1/2 bunch mint 1 tsp maca 1 tsp soaked chia seeds 1 tsp goji berries (they give the smoothie lovely little pink flecks!) 1 date 1 cup water Recipe #64 2 bananas 1/2 cup raspberries 1 pear 2 big handfuls baby spinach 1 tsp flax seed oil 1 cup water Recipe #65 2 cups water 3-4 frozen or fresh bananas 3-4 yellow mangoes 1 cups raspberries 1 cup organic red grapes 5-6 or more kale leafs some mint leafs 1 cup water Recipe #66 2 oranges 1 lemon 1 bunch of fresh mint 1 bunch of a mixture of greens; spinach, parsley, kale stevia to sweeten to taste. Recipe #67 1 bunch bok choy, 1 banana, 1 pear, 6 strawberries, celery 1 tablespoon of flaxseed oil 1 cup water Recipe #68 Dandelion greens Mango 2 bananas 8 romaine leaves 2 cups ice cold water 1 tablespoon raw cacao nibs

HMT, yes, if I skip my fatshake for a day or two AND I don't chase the fatshake with at least a glass of water, I get the same reaction. I am theorising that it is a bile reaction and the lack of additional fluid (water) causes a lack of transport to break down the fat. I also know that some people are more sensitive to e.g. flaxseed oil or coconut oil w.r.t. nausea.

Have you found her ? I have sent her a PM to PM you.... And she is a reflexologist...

W.r.t. the above posts, starting with TLW's desperation... P.A.K has nailed it, TLW, if you keep consuming refined sugar, then you are going to keep craving sweet stuff. One of the FIRST things you should cut on LCHF is sugar (and that's the bitter truth unfortunately), even before you start cutting grains and simple starches. Here's the other thing - you are female, and I will put money on it that you are consuming carbs well in excess of 50g per day. Why is this an issue ? Because every female that I have worked with on LCHF has the same issue when it comes to carbs - your cut-off for ketosis is probably well below 50g (and probably closer to 30g) that is TOTAL carbs per day. You will need to run this low for at least a couple of weeks (I recommend 6 - 8) to 1. get your body to adapt to not burning simple carbs for fuel and 2. to break the "addiction cycle". From what you are saying it sounds if you are doing some of the stuff for LCHF but missing the important issues. Don't favour sugar at the cost of fruit - if you are craving sweet stuff then rather eat fruit - you can always trim that down over time, but 1 teaspoon of sugar can do more damage to your adaptation and carb addiction than you can imagine. Fruit is not evil, but I think the way Dietdoctor phrased it, pretty much sums it up : "Fruit is nature's candy". You need to treat it as such and you need to see that as your treat. One large apple holds about 17g of carbs (that's just over 3 spoons of sugar and if you are female, that is half of your day's carb allowance gone). Be strict on yourself initially and force your body to adapt and to lose the dependence on carbs, you will thank yourself for that later. @Helpmytrap - AWESOME Bru !!!

Staying with a friend in JNB and her lab, Savannah has become quite attached to me. may have something to do with all the biltong and droëwors I brought with as "padkos"!

Wouldn't be too worried about those readings, as the high fasting reading was probably as a result of your indulging in the pudding (you did not state what the rest of the meal looked like). Make sure you don't eat anything after 10pm tonight and then test fasting again tomorrow when you get up. If it is in the low 5.x or below, you are good to go.

I buy from a place called The Dairy Exchange here in the Western Cape - from what I can determine they act as a "co-op" for several small farms. The cream and milk is unbranded and it is def 100% natural (i.e. no emulsifiers or stabilisers added). I was mortified when I bought a small plastic container of commercial cream a while back to taste the difference between that and the natural cream that I am used to - but the label told the story !

Doing a road trip to JNB on Sunday (the second trip by car in a month and I really enjoyed the drive and the time to clear my mind on the previous one so I am doing it again). I packed some lekker "padkos" on my last trip, except I ended up taking more than 2x the amount that I needed. In colour coded plastic lunchboxes - one filled with droëwors and the other with biltong and kaiings. This goes in my bag during the day as well, so I am never stuck without LCHF options. Just thought that I would show the travellers that it is doable ! For breakfast for the 5 days, I take a litre of cream and enough protein powder for 5 shakes. Simple and takes up minimal space.

Agree, but then I always refer people to the link below. If they still can't do LCHF after that, then I give up http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

Berg Man, I don't see that as a dig at all. But you have to remember that not all of us are able to balance our lives in the same fashion. I, for instance, have a very short reward pathway, so I can very quickly stray off the beaten path if something provides me with any kind of reward. That is why I am advocating a fairly strict adherence to LCHF, otherwise I would most certainly slip into comfort food land in no time. But, we (those who have been doing LCHF for a while) need to ask one question : "Has it improved ANYTHING regarding your health AT ALL ?" I can throw out a list of things that have improved since on LCHF, and apart from the spurious heart rate, I have not had any ill effects. I do think that too many people try LCHF as a quick fix for weight loss, and not for health reasons, and you know what, that will fail in the same way that any fad diet will fail. Having said the above, I could probably also argue that the mere fact that I am not consuming any grains have had an enormous range of benefits, ranging from gut to blood glucose improvements. And that is JUST cutting out the wheat. Start adding refined sugars, etc and suddenly there's my list. Does this mean that I HAVE to be in strict LCHF mode all the time - heck, NO. There's a whole spread of low-carb options to enjoy and you don't have to beat yourself up with the details. At this point it sounds as if I am being defensive - that's not what I am trying to do. I am agreeing with you, but I am saying that not all of us are strong-willed and some of us (moi) have to focus on the little details in order to manage the big picture. In the longer run, if the "new science" about LCHF turns out to be incorrect, at least I will be able to say that I enjoyed my food and my health in a whole new way ! Namaste.

Check out Dietdoctor's latest post ! http://www.dietdoctor.com/even-tour-de-france-cyclists-avoid-carbs-to-stay-lean

Snytjie, do you not have a gut reaction to bread/wheat ? I simply cannot eat wheat anymore, I blow up like a balloon. So I am curious as to what you would replace that marmite sandwich with if you had to drop the bread ? On that topic though, why marmite and not nutella ? (Just from a carb point of view). Where did you do the RER and VO2max tests ? I got my VO2Max results immediately, so I am wondering why yours is taking a week - is it the RER portion (did they take muscle samples ?) ?

Yes, how I miss that old thread that had all this info sometimes I agree 100% tombeej, the only thing I would add is the following: Do not make yourself used to adding carbs from the start, that defeats the purpose. I think it is almost a "must" that you need to go as low-carb as possible for at least say 4 - 8 weeks, to get your body to detox and to start adapting. I am really worried (and I always use myself as the sounding board) to just say "It's OK to add carbs back". If I heard that early on in my LCHF journey, my carb monster would have won the battle hands down. See where that "sweet spot" is for you. See if you can train at various intensity levels and for increasing duration without carbs at all. Once you are happy that you can e.g. ride a fairly hard 3 hour ride without the need for carbs, then start pushing the envelope with harder, longer rides, and then add back carbs as needed. You will very soon learn to read your body's signals (and that's where my "surfing the bonk" analogy comes from) - I can now very clearly tell whether I am just going through a mini-dip in energy or whether I am becoming depleted of energy. You then have two options - you either lower the intensity to below your VO2Max threshold and ride comfortably in the fat burning zone, or you keep going at full speed but you fuel with a good quality supplement. If you prefer carrying real food, this is where I would eat a banana rather than a potato as the energy release will be a lot quicker. We can have this discussion about carb absorption on another day, but the essence is that the commercial carb/fuel preparations cross the stomach barrier A LOT quicker than real food that still has to digest, so the immediacy of your energy need will determine that refeeding strategy to a large extent.

Marge, well done. These are very early days for you - remember that you will probably only start feeling your old self on the bike at about 8 weeks into this, so just be patient, be aware of what is going on but keep going, you will never look back. Take some carb sources with you on Sunday, and perhaps even start fuelling fairly early into the ride. Your body is in a very "confused" state right now and it does not readily know how to switch between burning fat and carbs yet. I would not have normally recommended that anybody does a 3 hour group ride so soon into LCHF, but if you take fuel along you SHOULD be OK. Just be prepared and tell people what may happen - when that bonk comes, it sometimes comes early and it hits you hard. You should ideally have been able to give yourself at least another month to adapt...

Edited your quoted post above to address some of your questions. Most of what I am saying here is speculation on my part, as I have had similar "issues". This is going to get long, so bear with me. Just on your BG numbers -those are brilliant and based on that alone I would speculate that you are not carb sensitive / insulin resistant at all. And this bears out the huge difference we see in individuals. Roux1, if you just look at what HelpMyTrap reported his own BG to be, sometimes going over 6 and dipping low on occasion, I would venture a guess that HMT is much more sensitive to carbs than you are. On the other end of the scale is me On the stix - they are merely an indication, so what you want to avoid is e.g. prolonged blood in urine or protein in urine. Gettting blood or protein readings when you are training hard is "normal". I get that a lot. So let me give you my background to my own HR story again and then let's see where the lines cross and we have similarities ? I went from doing social MTB riding at about 5 hours per week to a mix of road and MTB (but much more road) at 13 - 16 hours per week. This was a sudden step-up and I did not ease myself into it, but at that stage I would say I was well adapted to LCHF. In the process I took my eye off my protein intake and dropped my protein intake well below 0.8g/kg. I ended up with an increased HR during training (but I did not feel any worse for it) and could comfortably ride at 185 bpm, keep in mind that I am 50 so my theoretical maxHR should be 170. That part did not bother me much, but what bothered me was that my RestingHR crept up from about 60 to eventually sitting at around 104. That's when I started to panic just a little. I reported on here about a visit to an infamously well-known cardiologist who said that I had overtrained and that my protein intake was too low. He prescribed 3 months' of training not over 120bpm AVE and supplementing with additional protein. I did that. On completion of the 3 month period (one of those months I did no training whatsoever) I started riding again, only to notice that my maxHR would still comfortably exceed my theoretical maxHR, so what I did is I kept limiting myself to not exceed about 172bpm, but I still tried to average my HR around 120 - 130 (helluva difficult as I usually hit 120 one block from my house). Not happy with what I was seeing, I went to two other cardiologists, the last one is a well know competitive cyclist here in the Northern Suburbs. Both gave me a complete work-over, from doing the Doppler sonar scan to having me run on the treadmill to my maxHR. Both had the same surprising conclusion: There is NOTHING wrong with my heart medically, physically or electrically (and they focused on the electrical part quite a bit as that is usually where they can see if your heart becomes arrhythmic under stress). I have a higher maxHR than other people my age and that is all they could conclude. The last Cardiologist (the cyclist) said that I should follow a Friel-type training plan, working to get my base re-established for about 6 weeks and then start building from there. BUT... he framed one thing for me beautifully. He said that in spite of all the fancy test equipment and monitors that they had me connected to, the body's own monitoring system is still the best. "Listen to your body. If there is ANYTHING that concerns you, LISTEN to THAT. If there is nothing that worries you, then keep going". Those were his words almost verbatim. And that was the part that stuck in my head and that is what I am doing now BEFORE I even look at my heart rate monitor. The other thing that happened after the rest period is that my RestingHR has started coming down. It is now just above 70, but it is still tracking down. So, just to recap, after a 3 month rest period (low training load) and with added protein supplementation, my RestingHR is coming down but I can still push my maxHR well into the 180's without feeling any the worse for wear. Where does this leave me and what are my conclusions ??? The RestingHR was my "warning indicator" - that went high because my heart (100% muscle) was being over-stressed and I did not consume enough protein to facilitate muscle repair. If your RestingHR or your RecoveryHR (by how much your HR recovers in the 1 - 2 mins after exercise) is not what it should be, you are probably either overtraining or running too low on protein. But this left the maxHR mystery unsolved. Why would my heart beat so fast, yet I felt fine ? I must tell you that I replayed many of my training rides in my head and what I realised is that most of my "panic" feelings during the rides was because my Garmin was beeping when I went over my maxHR setting, so it was a conditioned response rather than a physical one. So then I started my research into this and I am far from complete, but what I have found bears what I have been thinking is happening: Ketones are the preferred fuel for your brain and heart Ketones have a mildly adrenergic effect (it acts like adrenalin) and may cause an increase in HR A great many people living in or near a dietary state of ketosis are reporting an increase in HR during any type of physical activity I have seen a number of tweets directed at e.g. Prof Noakes about exactly this - but the answer always seems to be that there is not enough data yet to come to a conclusion There are theories that in our "natural state" as e.g. Paleo hunters, our HR would be elevated far above that of our modern day selves. We would be in a constant state of being alert to prey and predator and we would have been a lot more physically active than what we are now. Granted, the lifespan of early man was a lot shorter than that of modern man, but I doubt if the all-cause mortality was due to heart failure ! I have been in ketosis for some months and what I am seeing on the high scale of maxHR is seen by many others on similar eating plans. I have to keep in mind that my HR range is unique to me. I am not bound to a theoretical scale just like I don't have the same response to carbs as other people will have. I am thus left to conclude (with insufficient data and research) that my HR is higher because of my low-carb lifestyle. I am not worrying about it anymore as it has had no negative effects on me, yet I remain in tune with my body for exactly that reason. Perhaps somewhere in this long tale there is something that rings a familiar bell ?

What is that yellow and blue thingy on the frame in the background ??

RDB, I am beginning to lean towards high-impact, good quality carbs during a race, rather than something like potatoes which may or may not have the desired effect (as this varies hugely between individuals). If you are racing and you are serious about it, then hit your carbs stores hard with a quality supplement like JCZA described - the more I am reading guys like Friel, the more this is beginning to make sense. If you have the luxury of time and you can allow yourself to fully adapt AND you can test your own reaction to fuelling with e.g. potatoes under race conditions - by all means, those would be perfect circumstances. This is something that I will always try and aim for, but I think there are sometimes practical constraints as well. Also keep in mind that the more you train (and race) without heavy supplementation, the less you will depend on those supplements. However, if you are in a balls-to the-wall, flat-out race situation or you are doing a multi-day stage race, you are going to get to a point where you need energy NOW, and that's where everything is pointing to fuelling with a good quality external carb source, which will burn off quickly as preferential fuel and your body will be able to replenish a lot quicker. I personally find GU to sweet and it makes me nauseous, but I reckon if you carry a pre-mixed water bottle with the product of your choice, that would be your go-to solution when you need energy pronto. Hope this is making sense ? edit : If you are in an emergency situation, e.g. you are bonking and about to fall off the bike, then take something that contains carbs and caffeine - this is why Coke has saved many riders' butts - even Phinney mentions that combination as the ultimate short-term refuelling strategy.

a) You are probably only really going into ketosis now - welcome ! b ) A lot of people eat (some) of the grains as well - apparently very nutritious. Mine has grown quite nicely so I can let you have some more

That's a rip-off DustOrBust - at R150 for 100 ketostix + R80 shipping from @flexia I would cancel that order and just get from her !

Fuel with carbs during the race, you will burn it off and it will feel like you are running on rocket fuel. Nê, JCZA ?

The effect of milk alone is not going to be significant enough. Think about it, you want a bit of carbs (to refuel stores) and some protein to repair muscle damage. Milk on its own does not provide enough of either (and there's the whole lactose thing that some people are allergic to). That's why there is a whole "Chocolate Milk" industry on the side, but that contains added carbs. But this is also about perspective. If you asked if milk was a better post-workout recovery drink than water, then the answer would be yes. On its own, I would not call it an ideal workout drink though. Having said that, I stopped with the whole recovery drink thing months ago, and I don't feel any worse than I did before. (Different story when you are talking stage races, but that's another discussion entirely).

Nope, like I said, I get the same reaction and I have been in ketosis for months. I think the body produces glycogen in any case (due to the exercise), regardless of whether you are in ketosis or not, but because you are somewhat adapted to fat burning, your body does not utilise the glycogen, which then becomes a higher BG reading at the end of the exercise. Well, that's my theory at this point... I think the body does this as an "emergency reaction" or as part of the old fight or flight thing - should you massively exceed your VO2Max, you will have the glycogen available as a last resort. Or something like that.

Ta-daaah !!!!

Romeo is now a fully qualified Branch Manager - and he leaves destruction in his path !

What the man said :thumbup: Francois - "Afval" (offal) is one of my staples. Not the whole head and eyes thing, just stomach and trotters (pens & pootjies), mix that up with some lamb stewing meat and you have an unbeatable lamb afval curry !