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All great ideas but this is where it needs to start. All driving schools need proper control, your last trainer in the art of driving and they do not bother with courtesy or rules, they teach you how to pass a test.

Hahaha got the same pic from 2014 great start and my 2nd trail ever.

Is this the only bit of single track on the mountain at this stage? Is there a new map that is available or some way I can look at a nice route to go over from Woodstock to Bottom gate of Rhodes Mem and vice versa?

I wonder if they shouted track?

+1 Not to mention the attitude if you so much as pass within 2m going over 40km/h or if you do give a gentle hoot to let them know you are coming or if they could offer you a little space to pass. Beware at the next stop if they catch up.

Please tell me the difference between the two was I not merely explaining why I don't believe that it is a better way? So my opinion is forced onto you and the other was merely an explanation. Please guys I am not here for that rubbish. There is an issue at hand which I feel strongly about and if my input is worthless then let me know and Ill go back to a one liner here and there because I don't have enough posts to count as a cyclist.

I apologize for being so arrogant as to thinking I know who you are or what you do. The very words used question your judgement . You seem to think you are better, you think you know more, you think you know me and you think you have seen more and I am what "not allowed to know you"? Could be true but does that even matter? Just the self righteous thought that shows me this discussion is not going to go any further. The OP probably would have liked some further thoughts thrown around at how to avoid further incidents involving impatience or inconsiderate road user instead of this. The floor is yours for the last say! Tell us we should ride or speak or participate or contribute so we know better.

Stop being foolish, not everyone drives in ways to kill a cyclist. You are exactly why everyone is driving so badly on the roads and you completely miss my point. I fear for my life and my children's, note more than one, lives everyday because of stupid and blatant disregard for traffic laws, made worse by the next person saying enough is enough. If he drives like that then so will I. If one person skips a stop street should you because the car behind you might not have stopped, and you may have been injured? No you drive withing the rules of the road and be more aware of your surroundings. Drive more defensively, concentrate more and avoid possible danger. Like the OP said the chosen road was just one of many issues. Ride with a mirror or is that too much extra weight? Stop at red lights or is that too much trouble for cyclists and you would rather risk death? Stop cutting your nose off to spite your face, if you want to advocate breaking rules and putting yourself at risk then go ahead but don't put me or my family at risk because you think that your solution is the right one and cant see further than your front wheel. People don't see what you do right, they see what you do wrong so don't be a statistic. Just look at all the comments/likes from the roadies in this thread, it shows there unwillingness to see another side of the story. No matter how many people have suffered and continue to suffer the pain of losing those close to them, the actions of this group and many others has and will not help to stop idiots(roadusers) being idiots or these same drivers misjudging speed, distance and safety. Your actions have consequence and they affect all cyclists, if you were spared today and pissed people off in the process then you may have personally sealed someone else's fate. Don't make decisions for me, I did not ask you to.

As stated the frustrations are more relevant the 2nd and 3rd time around. https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/139466-do-you-want-to-get-knocked-over/#entry2302944

Not disagreeing with those sentiments, however in these times it is not the wise thing to do as the more irate motorists become the more they endanger our lives with less regard for the consequence. I am trying to get people to look at both sides and understand that for every action there is reaction. If they can do it - I can do it. So the first group of cyclists is ok and the driver is patient, the second in a short space/trip, well a little agitated and from then on good luck to the rest of us. Is that the right thing to do?

So does using the smoother line include walking up it? OP you did nothing wrong as such. We are faced with unique problems in that fields are big, distances are mixed and not all entries are seeded. Inevitably we end up with a faster rider overtaking a slower. The done thing should be to notify someone you would like to overtake as early as possible and then let them give you a chance to pass. When given the chance do so quickly and safely. Thank the person for their assistance. The problem with that, is ego and fear: Some are racing for time and not a place so they can better their seeding for future, others are newer to the scene but what ever the situation we should be aware that we are not the fastest and even on a fun ride people are pushing their personal limits or ability. So let us try and be courteous and allow faster riders the opportunity to pass safely instead of being roadblocks. That being said as the faster rider we should know better not to "scare" a slower rider as we pass them. Give the necessary warning but be aware you may not have the chance immediately and that is when a little give is necessary for all the taking you will have or have had the whole race. What I don't like is a queue of us all trying to through and a "faster" rider pushes to the front. That assumption has no place especially when we are all off our bikes waiting. You will get some choice comments from the those waiting in line.

Damn that's nice!

Well done you found a loophole in the wording which I have now fixed in my post, self entitlement nonetheless. Goes to prove my point of what we seem to be fighting for. Rather find fault in others than in ourselves and our riding.

I am sorry for those who have lost loved ones whilst cycling. Many of the reported incidents are accidents and many of late seem to be with intent and something goes very wrong. There are people on this thread that advocate blatant breaking of the law. If we are already struggling with the attitude of motorists that only fuels the fire. We are NOT allowed to ride abreast no matter where. We are NOT allowed to drive in convoy on weekends without special authority and a traffic police escort, and this is exactly pretty much that and will probably get you injured. The self entitlement is shocking. They are not the only shop that do this regularly and it is selfish of any cyclist to act in this manner, it is not about slowing someone down it is about abiding by the rules of the road. WE want to argue our rights, then we must exercise them in accordance with the law. Enough is enough, clean your own house first. Simple - There is no other argument, two wrongs do not make a right and the person, regardless of anything but frustration, will make a harsh overtaking decision due to your ignorance, of the consequence, on the other side of your story. "I did it to protect, but broke the law and forced someone else to react with disregard as well" sorry people does not work.

That is exactly why and we have rules to say bar ends, brakes and footpegs need a minimal rounded end surface in the racing categories.

Let's or let us (over) analyse this You are welcome or You're welcome Your welcome needs more as in "your welcome mat is dirty, could you clean before I come over next time"

:clap: hahahaha thats funny. I may have an account that I can offer you but my own post count is only 60 odd so if you can still buy from me Ill take it.......I mean dibs......I mean Ill sell it. Ok good chatting, let's talk next week and see where we are .

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I think one must take into context that when asking about a certain "feature", the go to explanations for 90% of LBS's is not enough to the newer/less informed rider. Not everyone can be a wealth of cycling information. When asking about tubeless the info is always lighter and less punctures but no mention of other issues, whether tomorrow or in future, this is where, by going to 5 different bike shops you will eventually get all the information. Did the bike shop take the OP's needs into account and offer information based on that? Bottom line is the OP probably expected more from tubeless, as he was not informed well enough. He didn't exactly have time to go off and do multiple searches to get the info before having to make a decision. Sounds more like a rush job(read botch job) and excuses to not have to pay for repairs or the likes thereof. But then again maybe the wording of the conversation had with the OP is not quite the same, I know I forget particular wording when I lose my temper in that way.