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Thank you for assuming my ignorance :-) There appears to be evidence of an equivalent set of vegan-related health conditions (brain development, low sperm counts, thyroid suppression, liver-toxicity, low libido, low iron, etc.), and we have a lot less experience of vegan health histories, and almost no experience of what happens to vegans as they get older (technically it is a recent dietary fad, only gaining popularity from the late 80's). There are no vegan infants therefore that have reached the age of 40. The difference is that veganism seems to relate to issues of deficiency, while the animal-based diet issues are typically issues of excess (CVD, obesity and diabetes being good examples). I can eat less animal product, but you have to fill in the gaps as a vegan - and often the only way to do this seems to be to revert to animal products.

..but all they did was attempt to be vegan

They're not doctors or scientists. I have no idea how they came up with it.

You are conflating ethics and beliefs. You believe that we shouldn't eat animals. If you don't beleive that then there is no ethical problem. It is a nicely written statement by I'm sure a lovely bunch of people. Any facts?

Fair enough - I don't believe in God or in any grand plan that we are or are not part of. I'm a Darwinian - we've evolved inside of our ecosystem, and more recently yes we've made a bit of a mess of it. We haven't quite figured out how not to eat animals yet, and I think your vegan beliefs are not based on reliable science. From the reading I have done on the subject, being vegan increases your risk of retinol and B12 deficiencies, which means brain development suffers. There was a recent court case in France where a vegan couple were tried for the murder of their daughter because they did not supplement her vegan diet (were they not educated enough or sophisticated enough to be successful vegans perhaps?). Meat eating people don't seem to have the same issue. You imply that if we didn't wash our vegetables we would get the B12 we need. I haven't seen that anywhere before. Maybe you can explain why it seems difficult for vegans to manage their chosen diet in a way that meat consuming people don't?

On the impact of a vegan diet on pregnancy, I would note that the majority of our research on vit B12 deficiencies would not exist if it were not for vegans: Most of the initial data regarding vitamin B12 deficiency in infancy are from case studies of infants exclusively breastfed by mothers on vegan, vegetarian, or lacto-ovo vegetarian diets. Several authors have described developmental retardation and “infant tremor syndrome” in 4- to 11-month-old infants of vegetarian mothers from India [7, 8]. Four case studies from the United States described lethargy, irritability, and developmental delay among exclusively breastfed infants (ages 6 to 10 months) of vegan or vegetarian mothers [9–12]. Restoration of developmental skills after therapy was variable, with at least two cases reporting ongoing delays [9, 12], and one reporting developmental recovery [11]. Similar cases have been reported from Europe [13–17]. Again, the infants displayed delayed motor skills, along with lethargy, and were exclusively breastfed by mothers who were vegan or lacto-ovo vegetarian. After therapy, recovery was variable, with some children remaining moderately or severely retarded [13, 17–19]. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/ Now I know you can supplement B12, and that may address the issue. But I'd have a word with whomever didn't put the animals here for you to eat about where they hid the B12..

Thanks for the response, and a very helpful perspective. On the ethics of eating animals, you first have to believe some version of us/animals being 'put' here at all (by whom I wonder?), so it can't be that consuming animals is unethical unless you first hold some vegan beliefs. On my last statement it is my understanding that is it inadvisable for women to avoid animal products during pregnancy, and for anyone to be 100% vegan as a child because of the risk of nutritional deficiencies. As an adult I think you can get by just fine on veggies.

Please help with an issue of definition here for me - Is Veganism: 1. Following a plant based diet or 2. The belief that we should not eat animals (variations include that we should not pursue intensive factory farming, or that we should treat animals ethically) That's an important difference. 1 is a dietary choice, the other is a belief system. Personally I believe in ethical treatment and limited animal consumption, but I also recognise that at some point in human development you probably need to consume meat products.

The Lab used to stock Endura - which are awesome. But they only stock the outer half for some stupid reason which is therfore pointless. Good baggies are brilliant - especially if its wet and muddy (keeps your chamois clean and the mud out), or hot (no bib to overheat you), or you're planning on riding in the bush (thorns, etc..), or you might fall off (harder to tear). And the aerodynamics of bibs at 15kph isn't helping you much.

Also becomes the first Briton to win a Grand Tour. Bradley must be pleased for him

from experience you pay between $60 and $80 a day for bike hire, so it is more expensive to hire if you're there for more than 3 days. Plus you have to ride someone else's bike

Alitalia round trip to Verona - R9000 Alitalia Bike transport - R3700 (US$250) 8 days accommodation, car hire, refueling, food and drink - EUR800 (=R13,000) All told that's R26,000, and you could probably save a bit off that if you were careful with drinks/meals. Not cheap, but perhaps more affordable than you think

This place

The Moser museum (and wine farm) in Trento

Cima Campo (up past a WW2 Italian tank battery on the Austrian border)

Passo San Boldo (built in 100 days - or a little more perhaps - by women and children in WW1)

Passo Gavia (on the day they cancelled the pass from the Giro)

On request: Sella Ronda from Canazei (Italy)..

I know a guy who did that with a bar end..

I count 62x14, so roughly equivalent to 48x11 (I think)

If the E Cape had more dashcams you'd see them doing that with cattle..

if you measure the cobble faces you'll get 2400m..

it's not something you can win? edit: an honest answer to this question may even be the end of bikehub

I'll try post a pic later - mine takes a 650b slime tube and its full. Nice system overall.

True story, a heavier-than-average mate of mine walks into a T-shirt shop in China and puts on the only XL in the shop, which fits him like a rash vest.. The lady behind the counter looks him up and down and says, ahhh, Happy Buddah! She didn't get the sale.