Myra

Some hubbers actually care about the sport.

He bought it on himself but if you don't like, you probably sholdn't be reading the threads? Like who? Start some threads and we'll all join in.

Yes. And if I say Eddy told me that he saw Lance with a needle in his arm and a bag strapped to the wall, its hearsay and isn't evidence. Eddy would have to testify about it.

I'd like to join, please. Luckily there are 2 weeks to work on my climbing.

There unfortunately appears to be a misunderstanding of 'hearsay' by some participants in this thread. The word has popped up a couple of times in relation to the testimony by Armstrongs former teammates etc. Statements under oath = evidence. Statements about what someone else said = hearsay. To clarify, if I say under oath that I did something, my statement is evidence. A judge will decide, with reference to all the other evidence, whether it proves something or not. If X says, even under oath, that Y told him that Y did something it is hearsay. It can't be evidence because Y could have lied to X.

Great ride - had a lot of fun. Thank you everyone!

Apologies if this has already been posted - I haven't been following the whole thread.

Eish. I might still be half asleep, but I'll be there.

And don't forget about me! I'll be riiiiiiiiiiiight at the back.

In that case, I'd like to join you guys, please.

Is it safe to ride at Northern Farms alone? I'd like to join but I am seriously unfit and don't want to hold anyone up so would like to have the option to drop off and do my own thing if I can't keep up.

This is really interesting - could you please give us some more details? What sports people who have tested positive? South Africans? And what time frame? So 54 out of 60 sports people who tested positive were NOT cyclists? Any chance you could let us have an indication of the sports they take part in, or better yet, post the report.

Haven't read the book, but does it piss him off that everyone thinks cycling is so dirty when there's just as much doping in all other sports?

It looks awesome. Can you give us some more details please?

I'm so sorry I missed this ride - was away. How was it?

That sounds awesome! Just let me know when and where to meet you and I'll be there.

Thanks Anine, I'd love to join you guys when you're doing an easy ride. I'm very unfit at the moment and don't want to hold anyone up.

Thanks for all the feedback, everyone. Seems like most group rides in Pretoria are organised by shops and I've always thought of shop rides as quite serious - not for social riders. I guess I'll have to join some to see for myself.

Looking for slow, lazy, unfit, social or beginner mountainbikers in Pretoria to cycle with over weekends, preferably female.

Like what I said would be great? Will definitely do a search - thanks!

Sure. I'm not saying that cycling is cleaner than any other sport though. I'm saying it appears dirtier (to non-cyclists that don't follow these things and just hear about the scandals) because there are a lot of positives. And there are a lot of positives (more than in any other sports) because there is a lot of testing (more than in other sports). And I don't think that other athletes have more difficulty in getting around the (less frequent) testing than cyclists do. Any way, its just an interesting comparison.

Almost each time a non-cyclist finds out I cycle, comments are made about how 'dirty' cycling is. I just always say that more testing is done in cycling so more people are caught. Any way, I came across this graph regarding out of competition testing and found it quite interesting. Would be great if there was something like this in respect of all major sports. http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com/2012/03/question-of-commitment.html

Always been a big fan of this dude. We have so much in common.

Dignity and self-respect are over-rated... Hope you heal up quickly!