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Sure, the holding company is called Organico Engineering Consulting CC. Pyrolights and Extremelights are Brands. Not companies. Same as ledlenser and lethermen. Or same as Two Oceans, Tassenberg, flue de cap, JC le Roux and many more are brands from Distell. Still confused?

the intend was not to mislead anyone. And I never lied. I just don't want people to expect the same from both brand and would rather keep it separate.That is what happend. I tried my best to make it very clear for people buying that the two brand lights are different by giving it different brand names. I did not see the advert until it launch and when I did i had it changed as soon as possible. I did every thing i can to help Caerus even tough he should have read the advert before buying. The person who complied the advert was not present at the meetings nor did they consult me. I did not want people to buy a standard light expecting it to be a 4000K Magicshine manufactured light which at the end is what happened.

Are you two still wondering? I said so many times. Pryo and Extremelights have the same holding company but they have are diffident brands, difrent manufacturer. Pyro is height quality 4000K lights. Extreme lights are value for money light. PS. thanks for pointing out the spelling.

Last year when i got the MJ872 as a sample it came with a frosted glass and a 4 cell battery. It did not impressed me for those two reasons. Subsequently it became possible to order it with a clear glass and 6 cell battery. That addressed the reasons very well. In retrospect I should have given it a second change, and after seeing what a huge differences it makes with your light it gained my respect. My major irritation with it then was the excessive amount of spill and minimum throw . clearly the issue was the frosted glass. I don't think i will start to stock the MJ872 because the Pyro1500 is a very good mach for it. The larger 12 die Cree MT-G LED that it use don't have the same small hot spot as the Pyro1000. I also do believe the MJ880/ Pyro2000 is a good balance between the flood and spill and therefore a perfect all rounder. Sadly I did not send the Pyro1500 for review, in my option it is by far the best of the lights sold by Pyrolights for MT Biking specifically.

I emailed the a few months ago and never got a response. I was and is hoping some one know someone there that I can contact. I am talking about bicycling mag za

good point. wonder how one get Mountain Bike magazine to rate a light. any suggestions?

Did you read the review? https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/117121-magicshinepyrolight-comparative-review/

We have a blog now http://www.pyrolights.co.za/blog It is still under contraction but pop over and check it out.

When the MJ872 came out last year it had a frosted lens and i did not like it at all. But it really comes to life with the 6 cell and clear lens that is now an option. for MTBIng it is gr8 light. just need to remember to get the 6 cell and the clear lens. GBguy thanks for this excellent review.

Cameras and PC screens does make it hard to compare. But nothing beats real life. I some times lend a pyrolights out to friend that don't have lights. and I have noticed that very few realize the light is different until i point it out. I think it has something to do with the fact that normal car headlights are much warmer and we are use to the colour of halogen. 2700k-3500K. Pyrolgihts are 4000K which is more white than halogen car head lights. Not as white as OEM HIDs (aka Xenon) which standard are 4300K and after market are can go up to 16000K. Extreme-lights will have a 3000 lumen light soon. http://www.extremelights.co.za/products/goliath-3000-lumen-3xt6 this photo shows the light compared to a car halogen head lights. I just can't see how people can notice the un-natural shift. http://media.someammo.com/7642bf6e5e7d/road-2_630W.jpg http://media.someammo.com/f4717119a1ce/car-full-beam_630W.jpg I can go indebted on why you can't compare the light from a Xenon with LED but i am sure you all will be board stiff. At the end it is a good thing to have a lots of light. What the white light consist of (Spectral power distribution) and how it effects us regarding visual performance is not that easy to quantify. Trust me i tried for a year and realized I should apply for a PHD to complete this.

Thank you Caerus. I am glad to have gotten to know you. Mike the MJ880 is amazing light. enjoy the riding.

This is amazing!! I do hope they get not just the LCD working but a pure white LED as promise . current 6000K+ LED have a CRI(color rendering index) of 65 and warmer white as used by pyro has a CRI of 80+. With this we sold see a CRI of near 100. “Nanosys synthesizes quantum dot phosphor material which is subsequently packaged in a form called a Quantum Rail. For LED backlit displays, our Quantum Rail is inserted between an illuminating strip of blue LEDs and the input edge of the display's lightguide panel.Current LED backlights use conventional white LEDs (which are BLUE LEDs with YAG phosphor) that cannot produce saturated GREEN or RED colors. In contrast Nanosys' Quantum Rail produces a pure white light by using a BLUE LED with Green and Red Quantum Dot phosphors, which results in a tuned white light source that enables over 100 percent NTSC color gamut using the same high volume LCD display manufacturing flow that exists today.” http://spectrum.ieee...gle+Feedfetcher So we advance.

This is amazing!! I do hope they get not just the LCD working but a pure white LED as promise . current 6000K+ LED have a CRI(color rendering index) of 65 and warmer white as used by pyro has a CRI of 80+. With this we sold see a CRI of near 100. “Nanosys synthesizes quantum dot phosphor material which is subsequently packaged in a form called a Quantum Rail. For LED backlit displays, our Quantum Rail is inserted between an illuminating strip of blue LEDs and the input edge of the display's lightguide panel. Current LED backlights use conventional white LEDs (which are BLUE LEDs with YAG phosphor) that cannot produce saturated GREEN or RED colors. In contrast Nanosys' Quantum Rail produces a pure white light by using a BLUE LED with Green and Red Quantum Dot phosphors, which results in a tuned white light source that enables over 100 percent NTSC color gamut using the same high volume LCD display manufacturing flow that exists today.” http://spectrum.ieee...gle+Feedfetcher So we advance.

Dewald ZA Thanks. well you never know. How amazing is this; today we got more than 13 likes. seems like I have been forgiven for my little mess with groupon.

Just for interest here is a photo of some LEDs that i got after upgrading a few Magicshine unit with Cree MT-G LED on the Left is a Pyro 4000K LED on the right are two LED that I got from lights. Middle I think is about 4500-5500K and the right is 6000k+ could be 7000K but I don't really know. wish my camera had a CCT tool.

Well there are some fact that you need to know about LED's. For example when a manufacture order an LED from Cree they need to give an order code. There are many different order codes and the more rare the LEDs the higher the price. For example if you want a Cree XML LED and you want any LED that can classify as a T6 then they will give a this order XMLAWT-00-0000-0000T6051 cree data sheat according to the datesheet that code will give you a T6 LED with a colour temperature anywhere between 5000K and 8300K. if you are lucky you can have a 5500K LED. It depends on the draw for you. If they like they can buy one with a specified BIN and colour temperature but that will add cost. On samples it does not matter much but on MOQ of 10000+ a higher price builds up and need to be justified Regarding colour temperature and how an LED works. I have said it before but let say it again. All white LED are blue with a wave length of 440nm. You can see that peek clearly on Cree data sheet page 3. But for reading convenience will add the figure on my site that superimposed the human eye response curve http://media.someammo.com/582408f9b9e9/relitave-radiant-power_930W.png Now what the phosphorus layer does on the LED is it captures the blue 440nm light and gets very excited... then it radiate the energy out in a lower spectrum. 5 year go there where major improvement in how the LED generates blue light. But the last few years all the exciting development has gone in to the conversion process. It is now at the point that the actually difference in efficacy is only about 14-7% less than High K LEDs. that sounds a lot but it is not at all. For you to actually notice the drop you require the light to drop about half. With the huge amount of light generated by light units today the gain in colour contrast out ways the small drop in light. But that is my experience.

Thank 4M41_Jero. That is why i don't ask more. I believe it is better and if i look at the science it make sens. but light is a very tricky thing and so far everyone that bought one love it. at the end it is what works for you.

Remember to put your camera on manual and the white balancing must be on Day light. One of my first mistakes I made was not having auto white balancing.

opinion are good and it will be impossible not to notice the difference. at-least in appearance. Performance will depend on the person preference i believe. I did a test a last year with 20 people where I had a 4000K LED and a 5000K LED and asked them which they prefer. at the end 17 was in favor of the 4000K, 2 could not say, ant 1 was happy with the 5000K. When i did the test no one new what my plan was regarding this. From a science point of it is hard to say where the sweet spot is. It it is clearly between 3500-5500K If i could get a LED at 4300K i would have selected it based on the fact that BMW, mercedes-benz and AUDI all use xenos that are 4300K It is a long know use of yellow lights for fog lights due to the wavelengths that are longer. But I would like say that Pyroloights aren't yellow. There a lot more white than normal car headlights. if you need someone else option that is an expert in the flied read this page http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/nightvision.html when reading that it is good to keep in mind that with lights like these (MJ808 or better) you are no longer in the scotopic mode of the eye. At the end I don't ask a extra for having these light with 4000K emitters. so it comes down to preference of the person buying.

Nearly half way. 426 likes so far. Only 574 to go. remember the first 1000 people to like our facebook page will be entered in the draw for the amazing Pyro2000 light. Remember to like the page not this post http://www.pyrolights.co.za/win-a-pyro-2000 http://media.someammo.com/2331a22c4209/mj880-pyro_930W.jpg http://media.someammo.com/32c84b4fff2e/201111196214696_610W.jpg

I would rather say it is from the same company. But it is not the same as Pyrolights. MikeMT it is called through fuel on fire. it is fun. I should stoppe doing it but really the hub is such a great place and the people can get so reved up that I just could not help my self. still not happy that Groupon put the add as one. I that was an admin mistake on there side. Extreme lights is just a low cost light brand. No fancy. I don't see the point of having people buy from dealextreme if the can have the light here. It does not change the fact that people got upset about feeling mislead. But it was not deliberate. Petatodd does have a point about the prices and i will think about it. all that he is forgetting is that it is not illegal to raise the price or lower it. A deal is a Deal. If you don't like it don't take it. Not all Great deal are Great. The unit sold by Groupon is good and many will be very happy. Some times we forget that of the 7 mil people that are cyclist in ZA very few even know The Hub exist and they have to go to bike shops to buy. So they where going to have to buy that type of light for R1000-R1400. So at R650 it is a still a steel.

Well, like i said before. bad publicity is much better than no publicity. what a opening bang woopa!!!!

Hi Edge_Design. just a few questions. if 6000K was so good and the high amount of Blue was better, then why are OEM manufacturers of motor cars limited to 4300K? only after market lights are higher. Why are all highway lights yellow? Why not the white blue of the side streets? That white is cheaper to install. why bother? Here is the facts. The blue sensitive cones are not in the middle of macula/Retina which makes focusing on a bluish object difficult. Biology 101. You may know this but let me make it clear for those that does not know it. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS WHITE LED!!!! THEY DON"T EXIST. All LED that appear white are blue LED with a phosphorus coating . the thinner the coating the more of the original light(Royle Blue) you have the more blue get trough. The human eye has 3 cone just using one and over stimulating it is not conducive to good visibility. Pyrolights stock is reserved for replacement only hance why we can't sell. We do have one or two extra but I would rather play it safe.

Then contact groupon. they made the mistake. They will gladly give you your money back.

Well I don't know what your definition is of a scam. But this is not one. Pyrolights and Extremelights are two diffrent brand. Diffrent manfuactuers. Different target markets. Pyrolights are high quality lights that are unique. Where Extrmelights are the answer to the onetime rider that don't want anything fancy but just just a light that works. Caerusv just got trigger happy and end it up buying a light that he, understandably, thought was a Pyrolight. But he got helped so the "scam" is resolved. Everybody like a good conspiracy and I must say it was fun reading the comments. I just love the hub. you guys make my day. Happy riding.