Now this is art...

[The Drongo]

Beautiful engineering and industrial design, but sorry, it's not art.

 

So the Guggenheim Bilbao is just beautifully engineered industrial design?

 

NUBBIN

[The Drongo]

ART:

 

 

What are you saying? That these are mass produced but still art?

 

You been had again hardboiledeggswithcrumpetsandcoffee!

[Wyatt Earp]

Applies particularly to calipers mounted 'behind' the axle (quickrelease), where the force generated by the calipre on the rotor acts to 'pull' the axle out of the dropout.

 

Whether the caliper is mounted behind the rotor or in front does not affect the braking but affects the directional pull on the axle.

 

Typical American litigious reaction is to demand that manufacturers place 'lawyers lips' at the bottom of dropouts, instead of using their noggins like this bloke and altering the position of the calipre.

 

Very cool to him.

 

(I can not look at this pic anymore, because it is actually pornographic. )

MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

OK

[The Drongo]

While it's not up to me to decide whether or not it's art, I can answer a few questions about the frame.

 

1. a titanium tube carries the hydraulic fluid through the frame. It's fusion welded to the fitting and then another layer of 0.030" filler rod is added to the weld. The system has been tested and thoroughly ridden (by me, it's my bike) with no issues at all. There's no benefit to doing it this way whatsoever other than "because I wanted to" do it and the odds are very high that I'll never do it again. Materials, planning and fabrication put the project of routing that hydro line in the $1500 neighborhood and I highly doubt anyone wants to pay that just to hide a cable. I did it purely so I could stop thinking about it and move on with other ideas.

 

2. the post mounts for the rear brake are deliberately put between the stays, as I have been doing since 2006. When one post is welded to the chain stay, and the other welded to the seat stay, the brake caliper becomes a structural member and is spreading the braking force between the two stays and cutting the strain a single stay sees in half. I do this whenever practical and in the case of this particular bike, I bent the seat stays expressly to accommodate the brake caliper.

 

I hope that clarifies a few things. Thanks for reading.

 

Sean

 

 

 

 

 

You are an artist and a gentleman sir! Now please redesign fork lowers that do the same thing.

And please excuse ol'e Eggs and his comment about painting Ti. He paints ladyboys and rides a Raleigh.

Thanks for your comments, and do not do yourself the dis-service of assuming that people will not pay an extra coupl' dollars to have their brake cable hidden in this fashion.

Edited March 3, 2011 by The Drongo

[The Drongo]

MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

OK

 

HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm indeed.

 

And for fear of hijacking an art thread, think about it first, and then start one of those 'does the wheel hang' threads.

[intern]

How is NZ brother ?

A little off topic

 

Pretty good. This is the local bike park, 7km from our house which is on a beachfront there is an element of art here I am sure

[intern]

[Tubehunter]

While it's not up to me to decide whether or not it's art, I can answer a few questions about the frame.

 

1. a titanium tube carries the hydraulic fluid through the frame. It's fusion welded to the fitting and then another layer of 0.030" filler rod is added to the weld. The system has been tested and thoroughly ridden (by me, it's my bike) with no issues at all. There's no benefit to doing it this way whatsoever other than "because I wanted to" do it and the odds are very high that I'll never do it again. Materials, planning and fabrication put the project of routing that hydro line in the $1500 neighborhood and I highly doubt anyone wants to pay that just to hide a cable. I did it purely so I could stop thinking about it and move on with other ideas.

 

2. the post mounts for the rear brake are deliberately put between the stays, as I have been doing since 2006. When one post is welded to the chain stay, and the other welded to the seat stay, the brake caliper becomes a structural member and is spreading the braking force between the two stays and cutting the strain a single stay sees in half. I do this whenever practical and in the case of this particular bike, I bent the seat stays expressly to accommodate the brake caliper.

 

I hope that clarifies a few things. Thanks for reading.

 

Sean

 

 

Sean kudos for building a super styling bike and bonus kudos for taking the time to come on here and tell us a little about how and why you did what you did. I'm sure you will develop a keen following from the crew who frequent these pages. Whether that means there'll be a group of Vertigo mounted chaps hitting the trails in our part of the world or not, time will tell.

[Wyatt Earp]

HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm indeed.

 

And for fear of hijacking an art thread, think about it first, and then start one of those 'does the wheel hang' threads.

Need to get to your level of being a mechanic and understanding technical things first.

 

@ Intern, that looks simply fantastic, beautiful country that

[Tieffels]

 

 

Awesome piece of road, but it lookes eerily similar to the first sharp right-hander as you go up Bothmaskop, provided all the trees have not yet been burnt/blown down..

[intern]

heh, thanks for asking Dangle, it is pretty special out here. And if that bit of road looks good, the 8km of singletrack back down the other side is, well art. Oh yeah.

[Guest big baby]

No no no, no no no.

THIS is art

 

 

Nope, this isn't art either. Looks pretty but not in the slightest art.

Good luck

[Bobbo_SA]

Apologies for the [hi-jack], but have a look at this simplicity...Anyone prepared to suggest that the length of the seatpost might absorb plenty of trail-stutter??...

 

Anyone else notice that it appears to have no FD but has at least 2 chainrings up front... VoooDooo?

[DaLoCo]

Anyone else notice that it appears to have no FD but has at least 2 chainrings up front... VoooDooo?

 

Darth Vader's bike...he moves it with the Force.....uhh, unless it is a SRAM gruppo, then that all becomes weird

[AndreZA]

Anyone else notice that it appears to have no FD but has at least 2 chainrings up front... VoooDooo?

 

He does use a FD. Probably just removed it for some reason. Check out the internal coble routing.

 

http://cdn1.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2011/02/28/2/vertigo_ht_seat_tube_600.jpg

 

http://cdn4.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2011/02/28/2/vertigo_ht_stays_600.jpg

[VertigoCycles]

Anyone else notice that it appears to have no FD but has at least 2 chainrings up front... VoooDooo?

 

yeah...

 

I stated before that it's my personal bike. It happens that I finished welding this the day before I was to pack it up and head out to the east coast with my family (with the bike, of course) for a few weeks and I hadn't yet finished machining the front derailleur mount. Fortunately for me, the hills out in the Mid-Atlantic region are much lower than out here in Oregon and I could ride most of them in the 39t big ring. Once I got back home, I finished the FD mount and welded it all up. I need that baby ring out here

 

edit: oh - and one more thing. I don't apply a finish to my own bikes, that's why the weld beads are super shiny and there's a slight golden hue to the heat affected zone. It may appear to be lazy, but I'm actually showing off a little bit. That color, or more accurately, the lack of blue and purple color in the HAZ is a sign of how clean and free of O2 contamination the welded areas are. You're seeing this exactly how it comes from the torch.

 

Next time you see a naked ti frame hanging in a shop, look inside the head tube and bottom bracket shell for color. If you see blues and purples or worse, pink and chalky white, it's a sign of problems. It means the frame wasn't purged properly during the weld process and the material has been compromised. I see a lot of this on frames coming from Taiwan and Russia and in a few cases from some rather popular US builders.

Edited March 3, 2011 by VertigoCycles