Guest Omega Man Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) I've heard of quite a few riders having visibility issues when wearing braces with body armour on. Plug on. Yeah last year we went up to the last BMX national in PMB. Most of the riders we spoke to said they couldn't wear "that thing" cos they couldn't see the lights and couldn't see through the corners. The riders using the Omega Brace said that they didn't have any problems like that and could see the lights and through the corners just fine. Plug off. Disclaimer. I am not a Doctor, Dentist, Ornithologist, or Radiologist. My opinion is just that. Edited March 28, 2011 by Omega Man
MariusL Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Know of a guy who cracked two vertebrae when falling on his neck on Friday riding the trials in Tokai - touch and go if he will be paralysed... would a neckbrace have helped? Can't imagine the uncomfort of riding with a neck brace if you are doing XC... sometimes freak accidents happen Edited March 28, 2011 by MariusL
Guest Omega Man Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Jees crap one MariusL. The neck braces being spoken about on this thread are for full face helmets. The brace acts on the helmet thereby distributing the force away from the neck and on to safer areas such as the scapula's. So in short. If your mate is prepared to wear a full face then this type of protection might have helped. There are so many variables tho. hence the argument.
MariusL Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Jees crap one MariusL. The neck braces being spoken about on this thread are for full face helmets. The brace acts on the helmet thereby distributing the force away from the neck and on to safer areas such as the scapula's. So in short. If your mate is prepared to wear a full face then this type of protection might have helped. There are so many variables tho. hence the argument. Oh... like the motorbike dudes wear... the GP guys - called HANS or something... my mates fall has been a bit of a wake up call, whether we are roadies, downhillers, XC'ers - we're not as invincible as we tend to think we are... Edited March 28, 2011 by MariusL
Guest Omega Man Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Oh... like the motorbike dudes wear... the GP guys - called HANS or something... my mates fall has been a bit of a wake up call, whether we are roadies, downhillers, XC'ers - we're not as invincible as we tend to think we are... Ja the idea is similar to the Hans device except the hans is for tethered (seat-belted) sports. You are so right when it comes to being invincible. But when my wife gives me gears about the dangerous sport I do I remind her that while it may be dangerous in a broken bone sort of way it's far safer being fit and doing exercise than sitting on the couch drinking 12 and smoking 30 like many other okes out there.
MariusL Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 You are so right when it comes to being invincible. But when my wife gives me gears about the dangerous sport I do I remind her that while it may be dangerous in a broken bone sort of way it's far safer being fit and doing exercise than sitting on the couch drinking 12 and smoking 30 like many other okes out there.
RodTi Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Hey Hubbers... The OP put in a friendly request to keep this ON-topic - so I've cleaned it up a bit.
patches Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 awww! I was rather fond of the toilet-seat-neck-brace and watermelon-helmet pics... hahaha! ok... but back on topic... ...umm... I've always wondered why there aren't more Leatts (or other brands for that matter) worn at pro events. Like WC DH, and Rampage etc. Why don't ALL the pro's use them if they are "that vital"? Is it the freedom of movement and visibility issue? Is it cos of the potential adverse effects of poor design... or is it cos they just plan on not falling?
wesley_r Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Cap - good topic! My 2 cents - any protection is good. But I think that for far too long have we had to struggle with matching up body armour to neckbraces - only now is there a steady supply of "Leatt compatible" body suits / chest protectors on the market, but in my opinion still not enough. If a body armour suit was truly built to work WITH a neck brace, we'd have better distribution of force - the alledged collarbone breaking "wings" would instead spread impact over the whole shoulder area, and the alledged back braking brace over the entire back protector. Better yet, there would be a fancy layer of d30 or something for added impact absorbtion. This is my dream As for that pesky back brace, maybe the design of the new Leatt road motorcycle braces is the way to go:http://www.ratherberiding.co.za/neck-brace-for-boy-racers-leatt-stx/
Guest Omega Man Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 If they incorporate that road brace design into the their MX/DH brace they will be sued out of existence by every rider that has broken their back in a leatt brace (reportedly quite a few) because that will be seen as a tacit admittance of the initial design flaw. Well that's my opinion anyway.
FC&P2C Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Plug on. Yeah last year we went up to the last BMX national in PMB. Most of the riders we spoke to said they couldn't wear "that thing" cos they couldn't see the lights and couldn't see through the corners. The riders using the Omega Brace said that they didn't have any problems like that and could see the lights and through the corners just fine. Plug off. Disclaimer. I am not a Doctor, Dentist, Ornithologist, or Radiologist. My opinion is just that.I race BMX 30-39 and I am the only one in our category that rides with a brace. I use the leatt. Cant recall having seen anyone with an Omega. Have seen little ones with those collars.this weekend is SA's. Will give feedback about braces worn next week.
Capricorn Posted March 29, 2011 Author Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) If they incorporate that road brace design into the their MX/DH brace they will be sued out of existence by every rider that has broken their back in a leatt brace (reportedly quite a few) because that will be seen as a tacit admittance of the initial design flaw. Well that's my opinion anyway. i dont think it's going to be that way. If u read the segment on that road brace (nice find Wes!! ), the split thoracic bit is to accomodate the aero hump incorporated into the riding suit, and because the riders didnt want to cut holes into their swanky leather outfits.. (i laughed at that bit cos it sounds abit very lame because since when does aesthetics trump safety? ).Now the question is this: if the thoracic bit on the GPX/DBXs really are rubbish and harmful, how would you change the design without copping an admission of guilt?Simple.Let the buyer(s) decide if a 'new' feature is acceptable, then claim that overwhelming requests from other sporting disciplines demanded the same design and voila! The change comes full circle in your product lineup and you've just dodged the litigation bullet using the marketeering reality distortion field. /tinfoiling. but coming back to my question on standards, should the human body not be the basis for the standards I'm harping on about? Surely by now, 'intensive' research should have indicated where the best place would be to place padding, and force distribution plates etc etc. the human body is just about 99.999% the same for every human even born into existence. So why this apparent lack of standards? Maybe the manufacturers know that a standard will eventually cause designs to converge in a hurry, and then the only winner will be one that survives the ensuing war of attrition based on price and color schemes. Some may say their will be different designs, but based on what? protecting the same anatomical reference point a different way, or offering a different type of protection against a different type of mechanism. the risk with the latter is your product being perceived as lacking, which normally translates to your business model circling the drain. Edited March 29, 2011 by Capricorn
Guest Omega Man Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I race BMX 30-39 and I am the only one in our category that rides with a brace. I use the leatt. Cant recall having seen anyone with an Omega. Have seen little ones with those collars.this weekend is SA's. Will give feedback about braces worn next week. Yeah I was just being facetious. We are busy speaking to a high profile SA rider. Hint. He came second to skizo at the last grand national. He should be in one of our braces soon all things being equal.
Goosebay Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Know of a guy who cracked two vertebrae when falling on his neck on Friday riding the trials in Tokai - touch and go if he will be paralysed... would a neckbrace have helped? Can't imagine the uncomfort of riding with a neck brace if you are doing XC... sometimes freak accidents happen Happened Thursday evening - in traction till tomorrow when if all goes well replacing one vertebrae and repairing the other. No paralysis - feeling all round. Neoro said that they can repair anything if nerve intact which it is!
Guest Omega Man Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Happened Thursday evening - in traction till tomorrow when if all goes well replacing one vertebrae and repairing the other. No paralysis - feeling all round. Neoro said that they can repair anything if nerve intact which it is! Oh good. horrible to see or hear of another rider getting hurt.
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