32GI

[MaxUmis]

What is a serving? 1 scoop?

 

2 scoops... So it says on the tub...

 

I did my first training ride 2 weeks ago with 2 scoops in a 750ml bottle and whilst I found energy levels to be nicely balanced, 2 scoops in one bottle tasted a bit powdery. So I tested 1 scoop in a 750ml bottle which still gave the same effect and tasted LOADS better.

 

I did the Dome to Dome on a 1 scoop in one and 1/2 scoop in the other bottle yesterday. It was an awesome feeling to have energy after both the Hekpoort and Sterkfontein climbs. Yesterday yielded my fastest race time to date.

 

Next time I'll try getting a half scoop in before the race, but I'll stick to the 1 scoop bottle #1 and 1/2 scoop bottle #2 mix.

[TiBones]

Tried the whole Low GI system as suggested and must say I didn't feel the need to eat at all. Good stuff! The drink was up to it. My legs - not so much!

[MDW]

2 scoops... So it says on the tub...

 

I did my first training ride 2 weeks ago with 2 scoops in a 750ml bottle and whilst I found energy levels to be nicely balanced, 2 scoops in one bottle tasted a bit powdery. So I tested 1 scoop in a 750ml bottle which still gave the same effect and tasted LOADS better.

 

I did the Dome to Dome on a 1 scoop in one and 1/2 scoop in the other bottle yesterday. It was an awesome feeling to have energy after both the Hekpoort and Sterkfontein climbs. Yesterday yielded my fastest race time to date.

 

Next time I'll try getting a half scoop in before the race, but I'll stick to the 1 scoop bottle #1 and 1/2 scoop bottle #2 mix.

@Maximus

 

A trick to get rid of the powdery taste, mix it in warm to hot water, it dissolves better, then fill it up and put in the fridge, the powdery taste will not be there.

 

Just so you know the powdery taste is due to the granular substance of our carb, it takes a long time to dissolve, so preparing bottles the day before is better, but the hot water thing works great

 

later

Mark

[MaxUmis]

@Maximus

 

A trick to get rid of the powdery taste, mix it in warm to hot water, it dissolves better, then fill it up and put in the fridge, the powdery taste will not be there.

 

Just so you know the powdery taste is due to the granular substance of our carb, it takes a long time to dissolve, so preparing bottles the day before is better, but the hot water thing works great

 

later

Mark

 

Cool, thanks Mark.

I'll give it a try.

[mtbee]

Hi Mark

Also been on the 32Gi for the last week, riding hard for the first time this weekend but only mixed 30 minutes before ride. I found the drink difficult to swallow gelling in my mouth and it left me feeling very thirsty for water to clear / washdown the 32Gi drink. My daughter thought I was bleeding in the mouth from the red stuff when I finished. I mixed two scoops for 700mls - should I be mixing earlier or taking a second water only bottle?

[MDW]

Hi Mark

Also been on the 32Gi for the last week, riding hard for the first time this weekend but only mixed 30 minutes before ride. I found the drink difficult to swallow gelling in my mouth and it left me feeling very thirsty for water to clear / washdown the 32Gi drink. My daughter thought I was bleeding in the mouth from the red stuff when I finished. I mixed two scoops for 700mls - should I be mixing earlier or taking a second water only bottle?

mtbee, something does not sound right, the drink when mixed appropriately tastes refreshing and definitely no gelling or thirst, the opposite actually leaving u less thirsty. 2 scoops for 500-750ml is perfect.

 

You need to give it a good shake to ensure the powder mixes in correctly, try preparing the bottle long before the event, and check it out, but something is not right there. I assume it was only 32Gi, no other additives such as protein to the drink. Try and dilute in a little warm to hot water, and then add cold water to top it up, see if this helps better. If it happens again please let me know.

 

all the best

Mark

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Mark are you back in SA dude?

[MDW]

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[Help.Me.]

Can i use PVM bars with this lethal potion?

[TiBones]

read back a bit. you will see you can use cocaine with this stuff, but you lose the true benefit - that of a non spiking, low gi energy source. Add your PVM bar, with all that sugar and you will spike and then slump unless you then continue with the hi GI stuff.

[AndreZA]

I use the USN Hi-Energy bar. I stopped using the PVM bars after I've discovered these. So far no problems wile using it with 32GI.

[MDW]

Guys remember the true benefit of 32Gi aside from not spiking is being able to tap your fat stores for energy. If you put readily available glucose into your bloodstream you will not oxidize fat, which is a real pity because when you tap in to those stores its a lethal form of energy for an endurance event and it spares your glycogen ;-). I dont know what PVM's bars consist of, I would need to look at the ingredients, quantities etc. all the best M

[MDW]

A big congratulations to the following 32Gi athletes

 

- Travis Johnston - 6th World Triathlon Championships in Budapest, time 1H49

 

- Kerry Koen: Won the ladies race at Mont aux Sources 50km trail run in a time of 5H27, which is a NEW RECORD, and finished in 7th position overall

 

- Bongmusa Mthembu: Duke of York 16km Road Race - 2nd

 

- Sandile Makhaye: Duke of York 16km Road Race - 4th

 

- Petros Sosibo: Duke of York 16km Road Race - 5th

 

- Munyaradza Jari: Dolphin Coast 21.1km, 1st, time 69 mins

 

- Sipho Ngxongo: Dolphin Coast 10km, 1st, time 32 mins

 

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[Topwine]

Hi Mark

 

Can I just start by saying that I highly respect your knowledge on nutrition and enjoy and value the contribution you are making on this forum regarding nutrition and fitness training in general.

 

Reading your FAQ document however, as well as the info on your website, I have a few more questions on 32Gi if you don't mind.

 

1. You state that 32GI actively promotes fat store tapping. You also says that "32Gi™ is known to oxidise as much as 28% more fat than competing products." Could you care to explain how 32GI does this actively?

 

2. Looking at the graphs of blood glucose levels provided in your FAQ and also the website, why are the graphs different for 32GI's curve? In the one on the website there is a definite gradual decline after reaching a peak, but on the one from your FAQ, there is sort of plato reached and the decline only starts much later.

 

3. Looking at both graphs, and comparing the area under the graphs which in essence represents the amount of energy available in the blood, it would seem that either 32GI have more kJ available per unit mass, or there is more energy available from other sources. Could you maybe explain this kJ difference?

 

4. Why are you not willing to make public an independent test(s) done on 32GI to verify all the claims? Many people have previously on this forum asked for public information on tests done, and so far you have declined to oblige.

 

5. Then lastly, is 32Gi a sort of "Magic" formula or potion (Asterix fame) , or can the benefits be achieved by other competing low GI energy drinks or even better, the generic form of carbohydrates used in 32GI called Isomaltulose ?

[MDW]

Ok, shew, are you a scientist by any chance, you really like to get into detail, guess I am the same sort of person. OK so lets start at the top.

 

1.So yes the testing done , and it basically works like this:

Foods with a low GI have a low postprandial blood glucose response and generally also a low postprandial insulin response. It has been demonstrated that the GI of a test meal has a significant effect on the

subsequent fuel metabolism both under resting conditions as well as during exercise. Most investigations found that the consumption of a low glycemic meal prior to physical exercise increased fat oxidation

during endurance exercise irrespective of relative exercise intensity. Therefore, there is a rational to consider the GI in carbohydrate feeding in athletes since increased fat oxidation could promote endurance stamina and enhance glycogen sparing in liver and muscles.

It has been found that the course of blood glucose and insulin levels following ingestion of a low GI meal favoured a higher level of free fatty acids during exercise,enhanced fat oxidation and was associated

with an improved blood glucose homeostasis At a predefined intensity, the increase in fat oxidation may

lead to a sparing of glycogen in muscles and particularly in the liver leading to enhanced endurance capacity. However, some but not all studies have shown an improved performance following a low GI meal. This may be due to differences in quantity and timing of carbohydrate ingested as well as the type of exercise employed.

 

OK so I have pasted below a test that was performed by our research institute in Germany, to give some more scientific clarification:

In a randomized trial we investigated the metabolic effects of a CHO solution containing either Palatinose, a disaccharide with a low glycemic index vs the respective effects of the high glycemic CHO maltodextrin (MD) given both before and during exercise. 21 endurance trained triathletes (37±8 y, 64±4 ml/kg/min VO2max)cycled for 90 min at 70 percent of VO2max followed by an anaerobic Wingate test. In a blinded cross-over design, the athletes consumed 250 ml of the respective CHO (10 percent solution) 30 min before, at the

beginning of the exercise protocol and after 45 min. The respiratory exchange ratio (RER) and metabolic parameters such as lactate or glucose levels were determined every 15 min, insulin and free fatty acids

were measured every 30 min. The postprandial increase of blood glucose and insulin was lower following Palatinose ingestion than after MD. In contrast, concentrations of free fatty acids (FFA) were higher following Palatinose. Compared to MD, the RER was approximately 10 percent lower with Palatinose throughout the whole exercise period. For the 90 min exercise period this amounts to an increased fat oxidation of approx. 400 kcal. No significant performance difference could be observed in the anaerobic Wingate test (data not shown). Therefore, the consumption of a beverage containing a 10 percent solution of

Palatinose both before and during exercise leads to a higher rate of fat oxidation compared to MD. In contrast to the results of Burke et al. obtained with a high GI beverage (18), the ingestion of Palatinose

during exercise did not abolish the effects of a pre-exercise CHO ingestion with a low GI. Although the intake of Palatinose was associated with a higher energy provision by fat during the 90 min. endurance protocol, subsequent maximal anaerobic power output was not impaired as demonstrated by the results of the Wingate test. From these results it can be concluded that the ingestion of palatinose both before and during exercise favours lipolysis and fat oxidation most likely due to a small postprandial increase in insulin.

 

Back to Me:

So basically what we are seeing is that the maltodextrin really is not providing a benefit over and above that of the isomaltulose, we are actually seeing the performances pretty constant, however you have the fat burn. Also glycogen sparing is evident from the testing carried out, we need to carry out independent testing though to quantify this, but this will then show faster recovery and also the ability to really be able to supply energy through the glyocgen even later on in an event.

 

2. The FAQ graph I did was not accurate I was merely showing the distinction so it was clearer for someone to see, apologies for the confusion.

 

3. The Kj difference is confusing, I think mainly because most products have that per 1 hour we are demonstrating per 2 hours, so generally the feeling is 32Gi does not have enough calories, but based on the ability to access fat stores, we feel that this is a different ball game, and just like you are asking questions we are to, as the testing has shown some really interesting results, so we as a company have contracted 2 organizations 1 in the US to assist us with the research and testing and this will be made public I can promise, it just takes time and costs a load of money, but you will get far more thorough answers from me through this. My first test which I have asked for is to verify the amount of glycogen spared in the liver and or muscles and to quantify this in a performance point of view, I think its a really important test and one that will provide some real scientific benefits to the sporting community.

 

4. Again to stress, the research material we have access to is limited, as the testing conducted by the institutes amounted to millions of dollars, they only release certain but solid facts to us and worry about proof later. We have recieved some more thorough documents from them, but we have a non-disclosure meaning we need to sign anyone into this for receiving any more information. Its like Gartner, if you pay you receive if you dont then you can and are unable to distribute. We have a good relationship with them and believe me I drive them nuts daily to get as much out of them as possible. BUT, we as 32Gi are going to be running testing as mentioned above and this will not be held back. We wont test fat oxidization as this has been done. We are going for glycogen effect first. Bare with me you and some others are a flashing red light on the top of my pc, reminding me of this task daily.

 

5. 32Gi is "our" magic formula, we have just done something unique with the presentation of the product, which a lot of companies out there have not accomplished. The child friendly aspect is something we pride ourselves on, as well as the no going off for months aspect and the taste. Isomultulose is not readily available for use in energy drink or related products in SA and a few other countries, we tied down the suppliers with this. As mentioned privately if I sold sugar why would I un-sell sugar, the energy companies chose their path and we chose ours, you cant compete with your own brand, we took the route to being in the healthy low GI arena and we finally have a product that releases immediately but slowly, it was not possible before. We have a number of product surprises coming out over the next few months, so stay tuned, sure you will enjoy the ride ;-).

 

I hope this is ok, let me know

 

all the best

Mark

[Topwine]

I'll give you this Mark, you are a very good marketer . Speak a lot, in this case write a lot, without really answering the tough questions!

 

 

1. Most investigations found that the consumption of a low glycemic meal prior to physical exercise increased fat oxidation

during endurance exercise irrespective of relative exercise intensity.

 

 

Back to Me:

So basically what we are seeing is that the maltodextrin really is not providing a benefit over and above that of the isomaltulose, we are actually seeing the performances pretty constant, however you have the fat burn. Also glycogen sparing is evident from the testing carried out, we need to carry out independent testing though to quantify this, but this will then show faster recovery and also the ability to really be able to supply energy through the glyocgen even later on in an event.

 

So basically, any other low GI energy source can have the same effect of extra fat burning and the effect can not be ascribed to the "active" promotion of 32Gi exclusively ?

 

 

2. The FAQ graph I did was not accurate I was merely showing the distinction so it was clearer for someone to see, apologies for the confusion.

 

So basically what you are saying is that the "data" that you used for the FAQ graph does not exist as shown ?

 

 

 

3. The Kj difference is confusing, I think mainly because most products have that per 1 hour we are demonstrating per 2 hours, so generally the feeling is 32Gi does not have enough calories, but based on the ability to access fat stores, we feel that this is a different ball game,

 

I think what is confusing, is the fact that you seem to claim the energy of 32Gi per unit mass is somehow more than other products. Energy is energy. What is crucial is how fast it is absorbed and how it is released into the blood. That is why ANY low Gi energy source is better for endurance events due to the slow release. the energy of HIGH Gi products is not lost, it is merely not easily available after a relative short time due to the body releasing high amounts of insulin to convert the high glucose levels in the blood into fat stores. This has the effect of the athlete getting the "bonk" or feeling tired. Those energy is still in the body though, just in a different form.

 

 

4. Again to stress, the research material we have access to is limited, as the testing conducted by the institutes amounted to millions of dollars, they only release certain but solid facts to us and worry about proof later. We have recieved some more thorough documents from them, but we have a non-disclosure meaning we need to sign anyone into this for receiving any more information. Its like Gartner, if you pay you receive if you dont then you can and are unable to distribute. We have a good relationship with them and believe me I drive them nuts daily to get as much out of them as possible. BUT, we as 32Gi are going to be running testing as mentioned above and this will not be held back. We wont test fat oxidization as this has been done. We are going for glycogen effect first. Bare with me you and some others are a flashing red light on the top of my pc, reminding me of this task daily.

 

I'll wait patiently then, because until this comes forward it all remains unsubstantiated claims.

 

 

5. 32Gi is "our" magic formula, we have just done something unique with the presentation of the product, which a lot of companies out there have not accomplished. The child friendly aspect is something we pride ourselves on, as well as the no going off for months aspect and the taste. Isomultulose is not readily available for use in energy drink or related products in SA and a few other countries, we tied down the suppliers with this.

 

I can understand your branding and marketing, you do that very well !, but surely consumers need to understand that if they want to mix their own low Gi energy drink that they are able to do so by using the generic Isomaltulose for a lot cheaper. They same way as consumers know they can safely use generic versions of most expensive branded medicines for a lot cheaper.