IBiker Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Hi fellow Hubbers We are developing an application to read FIT files from Garmin devices (such as edge 500 and 800) into Polar HRM files that can be used on Polars training site and other web sites that don't analyse garmin FIT files yet. The added benefit and original reasoning behind the application is to be able to get vitality point with a Garmin HRM if you don't own a Polar HRM device. We are looking for HRM sample files from any and all Polar devices, if anybody would be so kind to sent sample files together with the name of the device to easpin@gmail.com it would truely be appreciated. Garmin FIT files are also welcome. About 10 or so of any one device would be enough for us now at the moment Once the application is completed and working well with a multitude of devices we will make it available to everybody. Thanks again for everyone's assistance on this so far. Regards Edited January 10, 2012 by IBiker
IBiker Posted January 10, 2012 Author Posted January 10, 2012 Sample files can be emailed to easpin@gmail.com Thanks
twiga Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) I assume these files will be digitally signed? If not, what stops you from creating your own files with bogus training data? Nice way to earn some free vitality points.... Edited January 10, 2012 by twiga
Barend de Arend Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 I assume these files will be digitally signed? The signature isn't in the files, but in the upload application. You don't really believe an old S620 watch had the horsepower to cryptographically secure sign files, do you? The upload application is also not cryptographically secure. There's already a HRM Uploader to re-upload existing .hrm files. http://rikara.blogspot.com/ It didn't work for my old .hrm files when I tried it, but there is a newer version. That's very useful when the Polar software b0rkes. It's also useful if you use something like Training Peaks with your Polar, or you are travelling since the S620 can't store a lot of data. The .hrm file format is also documented by Polar. It looks a bit like a .ini file. GoldenCheetah software (www.goldencheetah.org) has sample files in their test rides. In other words: the file format is not exactly secret. If not, what stops you from creating your own files with bogus training data? Nice way to earn some free vitality points.... Some people already download their current Polar data to three different accounts to cheat. It's already possible. You don't need new software to cheat with the exact same system -- you can do that now. People cheat on Vitality points in lots of ways. They go to the gym to drink coffee. Some people race with two timing chips, which allows for cheating on Vitality. The original poster isn't promoting fraud, but instead promoting interoperability. You could argue that Vitality is cheating you by not supporting Garmin; or Polar + TrainingPeaks.
twiga Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 The original poster isn't promoting fraud, but instead promoting interoperability. Apologies if my post was perceived to accuse the OP of promoting fraud, this was not my intention. Thanks for your insightful reply, you are correct, people currently already cheat in a number of ways BUT I think the argument can be made that people go drink coffee at the gym not for the vitality points but rather to make up the necessary gym visits to keep the benefit. rgrds
IBiker Posted January 10, 2012 Author Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) No worries, cheating when it comes to vitality points etc is incredibly easily when you consider that the HRM files are text based files that you can edit in any text editor plus there's lots of application online already to upload HRM files to Polar's site. But for all those with Garmin devices that don't cheat and would like to earn those points in the lawful manner can't, there's ways of doing so already by using different applications but that takes to much time to do. We are aiming at providing a application that will take binary fit files from your Garmin device and best case upload them directly into Polar's site with the least amount of interactions for the user. (Also removing the ability to upload fraudulent HRM files, as fit files are Binary and not as easy as HRM files to change) Plus if you are a owner of a Garmin 800 for instance lots of sites don't yet support it i.e Runkeeper, and uploading all your data to Garmin Connect and downloading it again to upload on a 3rd party site such as Runkeeper is to much of a hassle for most. Who else would love such an application? Edited January 10, 2012 by IBiker
Tjokkits Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 while youre at it wont you look at some software that extracts files from pro trainer into polar personal trainer? currently one must download all training twice nto each program becuase polar is to thick to make software linking the two. that will help the garmin blokes two to avoid downloadin twice
Minion Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 We are aiming at providing a application that will take binary fit files from your Garmin device and best case upload them directly into Polar's site with the least amount of interactions for the user. (Also removing the ability to upload fraudulent Will the program also support the older, XML-based .tcx files from Edge 705s etc.?
IBiker Posted January 11, 2012 Author Posted January 11, 2012 Thanks for every bodies interest, we have received allot of feedback from fellow Hubbers via email Will the program also support the older, XML-based .tcx files from Edge 705s etc.? As a second phase yes, but once the application is up and running, that should be a fast addition. We are very keen on hearing from every body what their needs are and how an application such as this could be helpful for other solutions as well.
Cycle Fan Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Keen to see how this works. Will it work with a Garmin 310xt?
IBiker Posted January 11, 2012 Author Posted January 11, 2012 Keen to see how this works. Will it work with a Garmin 310xt? Sent me some data files and we can add them to the testing process and include compatibility, we would like to support all devices and the more device data we have from different devices the better. My email is easpin@gmail.com
Cycle Fan Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Sent me some data files and we can add them to the testing process and include compatibility, we would like to support all devices and the more device data we have from different devices the better. My email is easpin@gmail.com Email and files sent. Thanks!
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