KingTJ Posted June 23, 2015 Share Best formatwpuld be to start the season with the currie cup or have it as qualifiers for the Super 15 with the best 4 teams going through to the champions league and the other 2 teams going throught to a cup league (similiar in soccer in europe) this will still get people interested in wanting to watch the game as all teams will play internatiolly and get exposure, amd people will still go watch as there is somethin at stake ...so in short you would have for example a Super 12 and a Cup 12 with teams from all over amd less repeats of playing the same local teams... i think it makes sense. Give your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted June 24, 2015 Share so this happened 20 years ago today! Frosty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted June 24, 2015 Share interestingly, check how much the team changed throughout the tournament. they used 4 different centres, in four combinations in 7 matches. opening game - australia 15 FB Andre Joubert 14 W James Small 13 C Japie Mulder 12 C Hennie le Roux 11 W Pieter Hendriks 10 FH Joel Stransky 9 SH Joost van der Westhuizen 1 P Os du Randt 2 H James Dalton 3 P Balie Swart 4 L Mark Andrews 5 L Hannes Strydom 6 F Francois Pienaar © 7 F Ruben Kruger 8 N8 Rudolf Straeuli Replacements 16 P Garry Pagel 17 Johan Roux 18 Brendan Venter 19 Gavin Johnson 20 Chris Rossouw 21 Krynauw Otto mainly B-team against Romania Team 15 FB Gavin Johnson 14 W James Small 13 C Christiaan Scholtz 12 C Brendan Venter 11 W Pieter Hendriks 10 FH Hennie le Roux 9 SH Johan Roux 1 P Garry Pagel 2 H Chris Rossouw 3 P Marius Hurter 4 L Kobus Wiese 5 L Krynauw Otto 6 F Ruben Kruger 7 F Robbie Brink 8 N8 Adriaan Richter © Replacements 16 FH Joel Stransky 17 Andre Joubert 18 Joost van der Westhuizen 19 Rudolf Straeuli 20 Os du Randt 21 James Dalton the battle of boet erasmus - ended the tournament for dalton and pieter hendricks 15 FB Andre Joubert 14 W Gavin Johnson 13 C Christiaan Scholtz 12 C Brendan Venter 11 W Pieter Hendriks 10 FH Joel Stransky 9 SH Johan Roux 1 P Garry Pagel 2 H James Dalton 3 P Marius Hurter 4 L Kobus Wiese 5 L Hannes Strydom 6 F Francois Pienaar © 7 F Robbie Brink 8 N8 Adriaan Richter Replacements 16 W Joost van der Westhuizen 17 FH Hennie le Roux 18 L Krynauw Otto 19 Japie Mulder 20 Os du Randt 21 Chris Rossouw quarter final - no stransky, Gavin Johnson on the wing for his place kicking?! chester on the other wing gets his first match(not even in the match day squads before) Team 15 FB Andre Joubert 14 W Gavin Johnson 13 C Christiaan Scholtz 12 C Japie Mulder 11 W Chester Williams 10 FH Hennie le Roux 9 SH Joost van der Westhuizen 1 P Os du Randt 2 H Chris Rossouw 3 P Balie Swart 4 L Kobus Wiese 5 L Mark Andrews 6 F Francois Pienaar © 7 F Ruben Kruger 8 N8 Rudolf Straeuli Replacements 16 W Brendan Venter 17 F Adriaan Richter 18 L Krynauw Otto 19 F Naka Drotske 20 James Small 21 Johan Roux the semi we sneaked - mark andrews moves to #8 15 FB Andre Joubert 14 W James Small 13 C Japie Mulder 12 C Hennie le Roux 11 W Chester Williams 10 FH Joel Stransky 9 SH Joost van der Westhuizen 1 P Os du Randt 2 H Chris Rossouw 3 P Balie Swart 4 L Kobus Wiese 5 L Hannes Strydom 6 F Francois Pienaar © 7 F Ruben Kruger 8 N8 Mark Andrews Replacements 16 SH Johan Roux 17 Gavin Johnson 18 Rudolf Straeuli 19 Christiaan Scholtz 20 Garry Pagel 21 Naka Drotske final Team 15 FB Andre Joubert 14 W James Small 13 C Japie Mulder 12 C Hennie le Roux 11 W Chester Williams 10 FH Joel Stransky 9 SH Joost van der Westhuizen 1 P Os du Randt 2 H Chris Rossouw 3 P Balie Swart 4 L Kobus Wiese 5 L Hannes Strydom 6 F Francois Pienaar © 7 F Ruben Kruger 8 N8 Mark Andrews Replacements 16 P Garry Pagel 17 N8 Rudolf Straeuli 18 W Brendan Venter 19 Gavin Johnson 20 Naka Drotske 21 Johan Roux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 24, 2015 Share While I like "some" of the new rules of today, watching the game now on SS1 the rules from back then so simple, so basic and still flowing rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 24, 2015 Share So funny the way people now feel justified in saying the seventh ranked stormers never deserved their playoff slot.waratahs are at home to the landers who had more points too. You don't have to agree with the system, but don't blame teams for taking advantage of it. Ps.it is changing next year, for those who hadn't realised. Going even more convolutedI don’t feel justified at all, but rather feel that it has highlighted how poorly the SA teams have fared in relation to the other teams. The rules are there and they deserved the home playoff having finished top of the SA conference. I also wonder what effect the exodus of local players has had on each team's performance, if any. With so many players choosing to play abroad/retire that there could be a "don't give a ..." attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntboy Posted June 24, 2015 Share so this happened 20 years ago today! Still get excited when I remember this match. Great game, great result considering what was to come in years following this win. Still think the late Ruben Kruger scored in this game. Pity it was never given. Frosty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntboy Posted June 24, 2015 Share So funny the way people now feel justified in saying the seventh ranked stormers never deserved their playoff slot.waratahs are at home to the landers who had more points too. You don't have to agree with the system, but don't blame teams for taking advantage of it. Ps.it is changing next year, for those who hadn't realised. Going even more convolutedIt was/is a stupid rule to begin with considering that conference winners also receive a trophy for it. They should have just allowed the top 6 teams to contest the play off regardless of where they're from, with the top two getting home semi finals. New format will be interesting and let's leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubarra Posted June 25, 2015 Share As a mtb'er I liked this tweet from Dan Nichol just now Dan Nicholl @dannicholl 9m9 minutes agoYoung mountain bikers across the country discovered yesterday that the old guy from @AbsaCapeEpic had won a World Cup for SA... @stranners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubarra Posted June 25, 2015 Share It was/is a stupid rule to begin with considering that conference winners also receive a trophy for it. They should have just allowed the top 6 teams to contest the play off regardless of where they're from, with the top two getting home semi finals. New format will be interesting and let's leave it at that. The whole point of the stupid system is to have a team from each country in the play-offs, otherwise they could have just gone the normal Top 4 to semi-final route. It is like Shebeen said, Stormers made the most of hand that was dealt to them - no complaints. But this whole league system where you play some teams twice, others once and others not at all will always be inherently unfair. Can only hope the next format makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted June 25, 2015 Share Comparison 95 vs 2015 Cape Town - It’s a difficult and pretty subjective exercise, so don’t hang me for it.You aren’t always comparing apples with apples, and rugby has changed much more than some may think in 20 years.But we thought it might be fun anyway, on the anniversary of the immortal Springbok World Cup success of 1995, to engineer a comparison between the possible Bok personnel to be employed on key occasions later this year and Francois Pienaar’s heroic starting XV at Ellis Park. http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Boks-of-95-v-now-Whos-better-20150624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubarra Posted June 25, 2015 Share Ps.it is changing next year, for those who hadn't realised. Going even more convoluted Hope I'm mis-understanding wikipedia here The fixture schedule is still to be confirmed, but each team will play at least one match against all the other teams in their conference. They will also play one round of fixtures against all the teams in the other conference in their group, as well as games against one of the two conferences in the opposite group. Meaning a Saffa team would play all the other saffa teams at least once (the 2 conferences in the African group) - and then only Aussie or NZ teams not both (games against one of the conferences in the Australasian group) Hands up to which you countries team you would prefer playing - Aussie or NZ teams? This system seems even more screwed than the current one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted June 25, 2015 Share As a mtb'er I liked this tweet from Dan Nichol just now Dan Nicholl @dannicholl 9m9 minutes agoYoung mountain bikers across the country discovered yesterday that the old guy from @AbsaCapeEpic had won a World Cup for SA... @strannersi think '95 world cup bok marius hurter has done more epics. and he's a prop ferchrissakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted June 25, 2015 Share Hope I'm mis-understanding wikipedia here The fixture schedule is still to be confirmed, but each team will play at least one match against all the other teams in their conference. They will also play one round of fixtures against all the teams in the other conference in their group, as well as games against one of the two conferences in the opposite group. Meaning a Saffa team would play all the other saffa teams at least once (the 2 conferences in the African group) - and then only Aussie or NZ teams not both (games against one of the conferences in the Australasian group) Hands up to which you countries team you would prefer playing - Aussie or NZ teams? This system seems even more screwed than the current one....look it's taken a bad system and skewed it even more wonky. essentially it's a bow down to SA dominanace in SANZAR financially(as bizarre as it seems, we pay the most for the competition) here's a video that explains how F@#$$ it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meezo Posted June 25, 2015 Share Comparison 95 vs 2015 Cape Town - It’s a difficult and pretty subjective exercise, so don’t hang me for it.You aren’t always comparing apples with apples, and rugby has changed much more than some may think in 20 years.But we thought it might be fun anyway, on the anniversary of the immortal Springbok World Cup success of 1995, to engineer a comparison between the possible Bok personnel to be employed on key occasions later this year and Francois Pienaar’s heroic starting XV at Ellis Park. http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Boks-of-95-v-now-Whos-better-20150624 100%, the problem is that the vast majority of SA rugby coaches still believe it hasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Knoetze (sk27) Posted June 25, 2015 Share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5NG2i-Fwg That is absolutley disturbing.So basically a few fatcat SANZAR officials(government linked I imagine) are going to screw up the whole Super series out of greed. Basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted June 25, 2015 Share That is absolutley disturbing.So basically a few fatcat SANZAR officials(government linked I imagine) are going to screw up the whole Super series out of greed. Basically.sort of. thing is SA is the main contributer to SANZAR in terms of money. New zealand is a rugby country, but small numbers - Australia are a big country but rugby ("union" as they call it) is sport #4 in terms of following. BUT collectively they outweigh us - so it's horsetrading the whole way. originally, when super rugby started in 1993 it was still amateur days. Australia only had two teams, Queensland and NSW - 90% these guys all played club rugby in sydney or brisbane. SA had three teams, depending on who did well in the currie cup the year before. we had a pacific team to keep people happy(samoa then tonga). and for some reason new zealand got 4 teams. There were two pools or five, winner of each pool played in a final. (so weeks of games in total compared to the 21 we now have!). All the finals were played in south africa, I think because the competition was bankrolled. by us - remember SABC's Topsport with Trevor Quirk etc?? transvaal were the only SA team to play all 3, it got awkward when for instance Natal lost the final at home in 94, and didn't even qualify for 95 due to currie cup. EP also played in 94 (played 4, lost 4). then the super 12 came after the RWC '95 and the game turning professional. They booted out the pacific team and each country got one more team. SA now got a 4th team, Australia created a totally new team from the guys who were two crap to make the NSW or Reds team - the ACT Brumbies. for some reason new zealand now had 5(even though they had only been in one of the previous 3 finals). you can scoot along a few years and work out how we got to SA and Aus getting 2 more teams and NZ staying at 5....frikken minefield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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