Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share @ Topwine: In that link they talk about CKD which i mention in a earlier post. What is your view on that? I maintain, that to be keto-adapted is ideal and more healthy. There may be slight benefits to consuming more carbs for peak power exercises for short durations, if you want to win medals , but this comes at the cost of a lesser healthy life. Do read the article I posted today as well. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share I did another regular training climb on my MTB yesterday. It's a 2.1 km, 308 m elevation lungbusting climb ( avg gradient of 15% ), which I start after a warmup ride of 5km to get there. My previous best time was 22 min. This time I did it in 19 min, and my chain fell off twice ! Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selous Scout (aka LegTrap) Posted November 2, 2012 Share Without reading this whole threat I can mention that Prof Noakes' theory is not suitable for everyone (according to him),it is mainly for diabetic's- he is one. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share Without reading this whole threat I can mention that Prof Noakes' theory is not suitable for everyone (according to him),it is mainly for diabetic's- he is one. With all due respect to Prof Tim Noakes, he has reasons to say that. I, however, think its good for everyone. Read the last article I posted with the link. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaco-fiets Posted November 2, 2012 Share I did another regular training climb on my MTB yesterday. It's a 2.1 km, 308 m elevation lungbusting climb ( avg gradient of 15% ), which I start after a warmup ride of 5km to get there. My previous best time was 22 min. This time I did it in 19 min, and my chain fell off twice ! That is a amazing improvement! I cannot wait for my cycling fitness to kick in. When that happens i can fully judge how this diet effects my cycling. I am very optimistic that i will be stronger on the bike at a simular level of fitness. Im am just worried about top end efforts even though the articles indicates that i should probably not be too worried Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share That is a amazing improvement! I cannot wait for my cycling fitness to kick in. When that happens i can fully judge how this diet effects my cycling. I am very optimistic that i will be stronger on the bike at a simular level of fitness. Im am just worried about top end efforts even though the articles indicates that i should probably not be too worried Yes, I am quite surprised too. The wind was pretty strong as well, so I'd like to test again on a nice early morning with no wind. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracs Posted November 2, 2012 Share With all due respect to Prof Tim Noakes, he has reasons to say that. I, however, think its good for everyone. Read the last article I posted with the link.Not trying to be a smartass, but with all due respect, what are your credentials vs Tim Noakes? Other than reading widely on something that you are clearly passionate about? In life often moderation is the best way for most people. I am cautious of claims of 1 radical solution for all. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share Not trying to be a smartass, but with all due respect, what are your credentials vs Tim Noakes? Other than reading widely on something that you are clearly passionate about? In life often moderation is the best way for most people. I am cautious of claims of 1 radical solution for all. What is radical in trying to get your blood glucose lower with a good diet? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracs Posted November 2, 2012 Share What is radical in trying to get your blood glucose lower with a good diet?merely the notion of cutting out all carbs for all people. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share merely the notion of cutting out all carbs for all people. I don't think I have said cut out ALL carbs for ALL people. I still eat about 20 - 30 grams a day of carbs, sometimes up to 50 grams, but mostly in vegetables or high fibre carbs, Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracs Posted November 2, 2012 Share I don't think I have said cut out ALL carbs for ALL people. I still eat about 20 - 30 grams a day of carbs, sometimes up to 50 grams, but mostly in vegetables or high fibre carbs,OK apologies incorrect paraphrase. Would "most carbs for ALL people" better represent what you said. As opposed to Noakes who is more guarded for people showing no insulin resistance / carb resistance / whatever. I have also read Noakes and others saying carbs are recomended for high intensity efforts while you dispute that as well... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share OK apologies incorrect paraphrase. Would "most carbs for ALL people" better represent what you said. As opposed to Noakes who is more guarded for people showing no insulin resistance / carb resistance / whatever. I have also read Noakes and others saying carbs are recomended for high intensity efforts while you dispute that as well... Not sure where you read Prof Noakes recommend carbs for HI efforts. Also, it would depend on how long that effort would be to last. Also how much carbs, if true, which has not been proven yet. I believe Noakes is taking a guarded approach where he is sure people will at least listen to him, and not completely laugh him off the stage. How do you measure carb resistance though ? Or rather insulin resistance ? from the attached graphs and the author of that articles opinion, if your BG response go above 100 (5.5) you already have a problem, although it wont show in "normal" indicators of pre-diabetes or carb intolerance. But it is there, lurking. Do you know your graph? Do doctors test this ? Anyone know theirs ? dracs 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracs Posted November 2, 2012 Share Not sure where you read Prof Noakes recommend carbs for HI efforts. Also, it would depend on how long that effort would be to last. Also how much carbs, if true, which has not been proven yet. I believe Noakes is taking a guarded approach where he is sure people will at least listen to him, and not completely laugh him off the stage. How do you measure carb resistance though ? Or rather insulin resistance ? from the attached graphs and the author of that articles opinion, if your BG response go above 100 (5.5) you already have a problem, although it wont show in "normal" indicators of pre-diabetes or carb intolerance. But it is there, lurking. Do you know your graph? Do doctors test this ? Anyone know theirs ?Ja for sure - I agree he is being guarded. I asked the question earlier on this thread around how one determines carb resistance as my levels of insulin and glucose are considered "normal" - but to me seems there is a lot of subjectivity. And for each 100% pro no carb study there seems to be another contradicting - so i personally prefer the more guarded approach Noakes seems to be taking. I definately saw a tweet or something saying he still recomends atheletes take on some carbs in high intensity sessions or at least races - will see if I can find when I have time, but for now - over-due time to GTFO of the office. Good weekend to all. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMartin Posted November 2, 2012 Share I get a host of blood tests back next week. One of them is of course blood sugar. I am a little nervous about it. If it is even slightly high I am going to nail this diet again and give it another try. Really did not enjoy it when I did it for 2 weeks last time. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topwine Posted November 2, 2012 Share I get a host of blood tests back next week. One of them is of course blood sugar. I am a little nervous about it. If it is even slightly high I am going to nail this diet again and give it another try. Really did not enjoy it when I did it for 2 weeks last time.To suffer for the first 2 -3 weeks is pretty normal. your body are going to rebel ! Please share your blood tests when you get it back. The best test for insulin resistance is a GTT (glucose tolerance test) where they measure your BG levels over a period of a few hours after a meal. Then you get the graph as above. Compare with what is "Best" and you get an idea of how far down the degrading path you are. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMartin Posted November 2, 2012 Share Will do Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/113902-prof-tim-noakes-u-turn-on-carbohydrates/page/26/#findComment-1839165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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