ATTITUDES!

[Canaris]

and for those who still don't know 311:

311. (1) No person shall ride a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is seated astride on the saddle of such pedal cycle.

(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle, and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.

(3) No person riding or seated on a pedal cycle on a public road shall take hold of any other vehicle in motion.

(4) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall deliberately cause such pedal cycle to swerve from side to side.

(5) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall carry thereon any person, animal or object which obstructs his or her view or which prevents him or her from exercising complete control over the movements of such pedal cycle.

(6) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall do so with at least one hand on the handle-bars of such pedal cycle.

(7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.

(8) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road or a portion of a public road set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, shall do so in such manner that all the wheels of such pedal cycle are in contact with the surface of the road at all times.

[bruce]

Some of us actually do give a toss.  Hence me asking about what exactly you need to know about the yellow line issue.  I guess you saw that as sarcasm or something.

 

I think I am one such "t**ser"  (could not resist' date=' I am now sowing the seed to my own downfall)

 

Here is the complete regulation:

 

(http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs10.html)

 

Prohibition on driving on shoulder of public road, except in certain circumstances

298A. (1) Subject to subregulation (2) and regulation 298(1)(e), no person shall drive a motor vehicle on the shoulder of a public road.

(2) Notwithstanding subregulation (1), the driver of a motor vehicle may, during the period between sunrise and sunset, drive such motor vehicle on the shoulder of a public road which is designated for one lane of traffic in each direction--

while such motor vehicle is being overtaken by another vehicle; and

if he or she can do so without endangering himself or herself, other traffic, pedestrians or property on such public road; and

if persons and vehicles upon a public road are clearly discernible at a distance of at least 150 metres.

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This is applicable to motor vehicles.

[bruce]

Somewhere in all that legislation I'm sure a saw a law stating that you may not pass a pedal cycle at a distance of less than 1.5m.  I wonder how many motorists know they are breaking the law every time that do that?  I wonder how many motorists even care?

[Pantani]

 

 

Somewhere in all that legislation I'm sure a saw a law stating that you may not pass a pedal cycle at a distance of less than 1.5m.  I wonder how many motorists know they are breaking the law every time that do that?  I wonder how many motorists even care?

 

Amen! You have earned the right to be publicly crucified! Please prepare to be mercilessly flagellated and just to finish you off, good and proper, flamed grilled to perfection!

Pantani2008-01-29 08:42:17

[GreyOwl]

Uh oh...tonight we're handing out strawberry whirls & whoopass...and right now we're all outta strawberry whirls!!!

[madmarc]

Then I'd like to see Drive Alive etc doing something about creating an awareness of cycling' date=' but if cyclists don't change their attitudes then there's no hope of any progress being made anywhere.

 

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ShaunH has done something from the cycling world:  Signup

Slowpoke is working with THINKBIKE as well

 

Cyclelab, Bruce Reineke Cycles(Select), Tour de Frans Cycles, Club 100, CSA, PPA, Edenvale pedlars, GNC, CGC, ext, I am not sure yet.

 

Team Edenglen got invloved as well this year

madmarc2008-01-29 08:46:53

[bruce]

Somewhere in all that legislation I'm sure a saw a law stating that you may not pass a pedal cycle at a distance of less than 1.5m.  I wonder how many motorists know they are breaking the law every time that do that?  I wonder how many motorists even care?

Amen! You have earned the right to be publicly crucified! Please prepare to be mercilessly flagellated and just to finish you off' date=' good and proper, flamed grilled to perfection!
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Stop it, you're turning me on!

[Bateleur1]

Bruce, to my knowledge, except for those 8 clauses that specifically address bicycles, bicycles are classified as a vehicle.

 

So in other words, theoretically, we should cycle on the right of the yellow line and at our discretion between sunrise and sunset, we can move over for traffic to pass.  Don't think too many motorists know that though.

[bruce]

A bicycle is a vehicle, not a motor vehicle.  In clauses that apply to motor vehicles, as the one posted above does, the term motor vehicle is used.  The term pedal cycle is well defined in the definitions up front.

[Bateleur1]

Will check again.

[Bateleur1]

That is almost the only time in that document (the one KF posted the url of) where they refer to motor vehicle.  The rest of the document they refer to vehicles.

 

This is where things are becomming ambigious.  Not only 8 rules apply to us.

[Dicky DQ]

Now I am confused????

[Guest Big H]

The law may say one thing but the physics are a different kettle of fish. The mass of a car is 2000kg. With me behind the steering wheel fiilled with road rage the mass is 2100kg. Your bike weighs 7.2kgs, with you on the bike it weighs 71,1334kgs. Who wins the battle..... definitely not the yellow line and it does not matter how much testosterone your little body is filled with...... the car WILL win believe you me. Do not try to phart against thunder..... this one you WILL loose.

[goofs]

The max speed on the R59 is 120kmh with off and on ramps all the way from Vereeniging to Alberton, extremely dangerous.

[bruce]

The law may say one thing but the physics are a different kettle of fish. The mass of a car is 2000kg. With me behind the steering wheel fiilled with road rage the mass is 2100kg. Your bike weighs 7.2kgs' date=' with you on the bike it weighs 71,1334kgs. Who wins the battle..... definitely not the yellow line and it does not matter how much testosterone your little body is filled with...... the car WILL win believe you me. Do not try to phart against thunder..... this one you WILL loose.[/quote']

 

Which is precisely why when I'm riding a bike the laws of physics are more important to me than the laws of the land!  It's a bit like bringing a knife to a gun-fight.

[Windbreaker]

 

The law may say one thing but the physics are a different kettle of fish. The mass of a car is 2000kg. With me behind the steering wheel fiilled with road rage the mass is 2100kg. Your bike weighs 7.2kgs' date=' with you on the bike it weighs 71,1334kgs. Who wins the battle..... definitely not the yellow line and it does not matter how much testosterone your little body is filled with...... the car WILL win believe you me. Do not try to phart against thunder..... this one you WILL loose.[/quote']

 

Which is precisely why when I'm riding a bike the laws of physics are more important to me than the laws of the land!  It's a bit like bringing a knife to a gun-fight.

For practical purposes you do whatever you need to do to remain safe. Some people feel that pausing at a red traffic light improves there safety - yet it is against the law and we crucify them a la idrive.

 

On the other hand if the law is on our side then maybe the knife needs to be wielded before the gun can be drawn???

 

Basically what I am saying is that we need to argue for some changes to legislation to improve our circumstances and where that legislation exists we should use it until "being practical" matches what the law states.