kingalton Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Hi Guys (and Gals)Just a question re group road training rides.When riding 2 abreast in a long line, I understand it to be etiquette to stay behind the wheel in front of you. You ride 2 people, handle bar to handle bar, shoulder to shoulder in a long line. Sticking as close to the wheel in front of you.. You get people(riding next to you in the line) who force their way right in between the 2 riders in front of them overlapping their wheel with the guys in front of you and basically force you out of the line and into the wind. You also get forced out further into the road, which is risky as you get pushed out into traffic.It isn’t a race with road closure, where the group can ride a line across the road away from the wind, you gotta stick to the line. They are basically “stealing” all the protection for themselves, By almost riding with their brakes up against the 2 seats in front of them. Am I correct in saying this is selfish and isn’t the right thing to do?Maybe I am wrong and I just don’t understand the etiquette, but the way I see it, we all need to be in position in the peloton. Especially on a training ride, it’s not a race where people are jostling for position. your thoughts?
Witkop Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 roadies. no further answer is necessary. Surv0MTB, Roer, dalem44 and 1 other 4
porqui Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) You ride in single file seeing other traffic is involved - right thing to do.You pass when it is safe to do so and fall into single line again. Ya I know I'm going to get grilled. But you asked. Edited June 2, 2013 by porqui Louw rider, Meezo, dalem44 and 2 others 5
Guest Oom Kalahari! Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) The problem is you are riding two abreast. Illegal not advised Ride single file! Edited June 2, 2013 by Oom Kalahari! Roer 1
kingalton Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 The problem is you are riding two abreast. Illegal not advised Ride single file!40-50 people riding together isnt going to work single file...
Guest Oom Kalahari! Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 40-50 people riding together isnt going to work single file... I dont make the rules... If you guys risk it... and ride 2abreast in that kind of numbers then there must also be sufficient communication/organisation/rules and so forth to prevent accidents... because one will happen I can promise you (taking into account you original complaint)
Agteros Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Hi Guys (and Gals)Just a question re group road training rides.When riding 2 abreast in a long line, I understand it to be etiquette to stay behind the wheel in front of you. You ride 2 people, handle bar to handle bar, shoulder to shoulder in a long line. Sticking as close to the wheel in front of you.. You get people(riding next to you in the line) who force their way right in between the 2 riders in front of them overlapping their wheel with the guys in front of you and basically force you out of the line and into the wind. You also get forced out further into the road, which is risky as you get pushed out into traffic.It isn’t a race with road closure, where the group can ride a line across the road away from the wind, you gotta stick to the line.They are basically “stealing” all the protection for themselves, By almost riding with their brakes up against the 2 seats in front of them. Am I correct in saying this is selfish and isn’t the right thing to do?Maybe I am wrong and I just don’t understand the etiquette, but the way I see it, we all need to be in position in the peloton. Especially on a training ride, it’s not a race where people are jostling for position. your thoughts?It is extremely selfish, or maybe it is somebody not well versed in the art of group riding Mads 1
porqui Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) 40-50 people riding together isnt going to work single file... And then you wonder why motorists get bedonderd with cyclists - how the hell do you safely pass a group of 40-50 cyclists and then not just one group. How much patience do you have to stay behind such a group for an extended period of time.Sal jou moer nie sommer so strip nie??? And thats when all safety precautions go out the window.Just then one of the cyclists sticks up his finger - the wrong one!! Edited June 2, 2013 by porqui Roer 1
kingalton Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 And then you wonder why motorists get bedonderd with cyclists - how the hell do you safely pass a group of 40-50 cyclists and then not just one group. How much patience do you have to stay behind such a group for an extended period of time.Sal jou moer nie sommer so strip nie??? And thats when all safety precautions go out the window.Just then one of the cyclists sticks up his finger - the wrong one!!so you think a 50 cyclist long line is safer than a 2x 25 cyclist line, its still difficult to pass a single cyclist, image it was over a 100m of cyslists?but i am not asking that question, i am asking the question about etiquette in the group, not here to debate the rules of the road
kingalton Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 It is extremely selfish, or maybe it is somebody not well versed in the art of group ridingthanks, it happened on Saturday morning and i asked the guy nicely to please stick to the wheel in front of him, so that i can stick the wheel in front of me..but he was rather rude in his reply and didnt seem to agree with me.. saying it was his line to ride..I decided to be calm (after a few colorfull words to myself) and eventually he moved further back - i am sure to p!ss someone else off..
Gambithunt Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 I will be amaze balled if this thread stays on topic and not fall into a roadie vs car vs 100 opinions on the matter. kingalton 1
porqui Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) The thecnical bit is that two ridesr should never be staying next to each other - the one line should always be passing and the other one should be falling back (clockwise or anti).The idea is the very front rider should ride hard for say a minute and when he tires he joins the retreating line and the next rider in the passing line takes over. So your offending rider did not know what line he was in. This way all rider get a chance to work and to rest - an absolute pleasure when it happens. This kind of riding seldom happens and confusion reigns Edited June 2, 2013 by porqui
kingalton Posted June 2, 2013 Author Posted June 2, 2013 I will be amaze balled if this thread stays on topic and not fall into a roadie vs car vs 100 opinions on the matter.Ha ha - Lets hope it stays on track - but this is thehub afterall ;-)Guys please - I know everyone has an opinion on the subject of road riding in the traffic, but if we could stick to the topic, it would be swell :thumbup: tnx
Guest Oom Kalahari! Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 I will be amaze balled if this thread stays on topic and not fall into a roadie vs car vs 100 opinions on the matter. Ya I know right... cause ALL the MTB threads stay on topic! Roer 1
Escapee.. Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) Just ride faster so that he drops off the back Sharp elbows also help Edited June 2, 2013 by Escapee.. Audible Anarchy and kingalton 2
Sportsworld.co.za Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 We have a guy like that who cycles in our club. He does the exact same thing. He did it to me once and now if i see him coming up alongside me i just move over a tiny bit and take up a bit of the space he usually goes into. It is a pain in the @ss though. Some of them just don't learn. kingalton 1
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