Disylizzy Posted September 17, 2013 Share @mon-goose, why such long sets? Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Winter Posted September 17, 2013 Share You guys should also include if the set is designed to improve a certain aspect of your swimming. For example if the set is supposed to improve your distance or speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexFuzzle Posted September 17, 2013 Share Imprint from coach back in the day:100 Kick100 Pull100 SwimRepeat until somebody cries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon-goose Posted September 17, 2013 Share I'm trying to increase speed over a 3km distance and trying to comfortably complete a distance of 5km. Want to do a 3km open water swim within an hr in November and then a 5km within 2hrs in Feb. I'm just mixing up sets to make sure I do some speed work and some distance. Not following any particular approach. If the set has a fair amount of sprinting them it's working my speed and if it's long then working my endurance.... my basic approach. Disylizzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon-goose Posted September 17, 2013 Share I was in the pool yesterday and there was a youngster, probably around 12, and his coach was seriously working him. This kid was really fast but at one point this poor kids was in tears... but he kept going pretty fast, left me way behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon-goose Posted September 18, 2013 Share did my first masters class this morning to see what it's all about. The distance was less than normal but the intensity and the drills killed me. We did: 300 Warmup8x100 kick8x50 one arm catchup, alternate arms each 258x50 normal catch up8x50 sprint - only breathing once on the first 25m300 warm down was meant to do 800 warm down to get to 3000m total. but I didn't have time and had to leave for work quite enjoyed the session and realised I probably also need to do more drills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davem Posted September 18, 2013 Share Admin, please close this thread. Mongoose is making us all feel inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disylizzy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Masters groups are really good to swim with. There's always someone there faster than you. You'll find that even though you don't do the distance in the session that you're used to, you're working a hell of a lot harder than swimming by yourself. And when you do go swim the distance events, you'll be surprised at how easy you find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon-goose Posted September 18, 2013 Share that's what I recon. And I got one or two tips on my stroke technique as well which I could already feel the difference when changed. I wasn't pulling all the way back until my arms were almost straight back before bringing them out of the water to bring them forward. I was pulling them out of the water too early so the pull wasn't complete. Don't worry DAVEM, you'd put me to shame on the bike and run. I haven't been on a bike in about 5 years thanks to bad knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted September 18, 2013 Share Do you guys really do all those kicking sets? I gave up kicking long ago, not only because my kick is useless but at the end of the day as a triathlete i figured the time was better spent training drills or something else. The time spent kicking (it takes me forever to kick 100m ) does not justify the difference between a great kick and a *** kick... in triathlon anyway...IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon-goose Posted September 19, 2013 Share as I said I usually don't do more than 150 kick. Just followed instructions this time around:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davem Posted September 19, 2013 Share SwissVan. I am with you on that. But I do the following as a core strengthening exercise which will hopefully stop me bending in the water. 25m back kick with fins25m back dolphin kick with fins25m front kick with fins25m front dolphin kick with fins Repeat x5 By doing only 25m of each type at a time. You don't fatigue as much and are able to concentrate on technique. With the fins, it passes fairly quickly and you don't drown. To me kick is for stabilisation not propulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted September 19, 2013 Share SwissVan. I am with you on that. But I do the following as a core strengthening exercise which will hopefully stop me bending in the water. 25m back kick with fins25m back dolphin kick with fins25m front kick with fins25m front dolphin kick with fins Repeat x5 By doing only 25m of each type at a time. You don't fatigue as much and are able to concentrate on technique. With the fins, it passes fairly quickly and you don't drown. To me kick is for stabilisation not propulsion. That's my theory as well. When I start swimming again this winter I'm going to try concentrate on flexing / keeping my ankles straight or pointing to the wall behind me to reduce drag. The problem is to do it naturally without thinking to hard. For someone who has spent a lot of time running / cycling my ankles are quite flexible but this needs to be improved. Fins help enforce ankle flex so that your toes point to the wall and not the bottom of the pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disylizzy Posted September 19, 2013 Share I have to disagree about the kicking. Praciticing kicking makes you more cognizant of your leg position in the water, ie if you're dragging or not. Also if you have a strong kick, then in any event, even open water where you barely kick is more beneficial than dragging your legs in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilana Posted September 19, 2013 Share As Dizzy says - as long as you have a good body position in the water and not dragging your feet openwater swimming (esp if you are swimming in a wetsuit) does not require a strong kick. As long as you have a n efficient pull the kick is merely there to stabilize you. I find that when I am doing longer distances my kick slows down to a two beat but revs up to a flutter when doing sprints when the extra propulsion is required.  Did a killer set on Tuesday night:Warm up (400m)200m f/s easy 200m IM kick/swim (25m kick/25swim) Main set: (1800m)8x50 f/s @ '55200m recovery - fly drill - 25 mellada/25 one arm alternating every 2nd stroke8x50 f/s @ '50200m recovery - backstroke drill - 25 double touch/ 25 6 kick drill8x50 f/s @ '45200m recovery breastroke drill - 25m 3 kick pull/ 25 normal Cool down: (300m)300m pull with paddles and pool buoyTotal set - 2500m Disylizzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted September 19, 2013 Share  As Dizzy says - as long as you have a good body position in the water and not dragging your feet openwater swimming (esp if you are swimming in a wetsuit) does not require a strong kick. As long as you have a n efficient pull the kick is merely there to stabilize you. I find that when I am doing longer distances my kick slows down to a two beat but revs up to a flutter when doing sprints when the extra propulsion is required.   That's what I was getting at, its great if you can kick well then you use it, but if you are just an average or useless kicker then rather focus on technique rather than trying to improve the strength of your kick. Another thing kicking is also good for.... it gives your shoulders a rest during training BTW, what is the f/s in your set mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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