Brandon Stewart

[Benjamin]

I have learnt quite a lot. About the topic and about some hubbers.

Yip. Agreed on both counts.

[Squier]

No shortage of high horses on thehub.

[Wyatt Earp]

??? Operational Support System?

 

Sorry pal, in this case then the ninja status is being retracted.

[rouxtjie]

Big problem is that it doesn't take a few days... Mine took 6 months!!!!! so by then with such poor performance I would have lost my contract>>>>>> Does that help??

And there is the kicker in the whole drama....the substance is performance enhancing, no matter the amount. See no matter how much makeup we put on the proverbial monkey, you doped.

[Blackbeard]

And there is the kicker in the whole drama....the substance is performance enhancing, no matter the amount. See no matter how much makeup we put on the proverbial monkey, you doped.

A conscious decision to act against known laws to achieve a material end!

[Wyatt Earp]

And there is the kicker in the whole drama....the substance is performance enhancing, no matter the amount. See no matter how much makeup we put on the proverbial monkey, you doped.

 

Yes and no.

For medical reasons if you have really low levels it will normalise you and bring you up to where you should be.

Nothing wrong with that, people wear glasses to see better, take blood pressure meds, heart meds to give them a "normal life"

However if you don't have testo issues and you pump the stuff and your levels are elevated above normal, then it becomes performance enhancing, and the % of performance it brings to the party will be and is very debatable .

[rouxtjie]

Yes and no.

For medical reasons if you have really low levels it will normalise you and bring you up to where you should be.

Nothing wrong with that, people wear glasses to see better, take blood pressure meds, heart meds to give them a "normal life"

However if you don't have testo issues and you pump the stuff and your levels are elevated above normal, then it becomes performance enhancing, and the % of performance it brings to the party will be and is very debatable .

The slippery slope of genes and where to draw the line is like you said very debatable(the ol TUE chestnut), we can see it in this thread where we have guys gunning for and against it. But the "line" in this case is the testo marker of 8, he was a 9, like blood alcohol level and driving....The one gets wave from the cop, the other, a weekend at bubbas.

[Blackbeard]

Yes and no.

For medical reasons if you have really low levels it will normalise you and bring you up to where you should be.

Nothing wrong with that, people wear glasses to see better, take blood pressure meds, heart meds to give them a "normal life"

However if you don't have testo issues and you pump the stuff and your levels are elevated above normal, then it becomes performance enhancing, and the % of performance it brings to the party will be and is very debatable .

Hence the requirement for a TUE.

[Wyatt Earp]

The slippery slope of genes and where to draw the line is like you said very debatable(the ol TUE chestnut), we can see it in this thread where we have guys gunning for and against it. But the "line" in this case is the testo marker of 8, he was a 9, like blood alcohol level and driving....The one gets waive from the cop, the other, a weekend at bubbas.

 

He was over the limit, big mistake.

Problem is everyone is harping on about the fact that he used a "banned" substance.

Yes he did for medical reasons, that needed a TUE to give him permission to race with it ,and to be honest if SAIDS had any sense, they would have taken his application very serious and and they could have wrapped it up within a few days.

 

It's pretty simple, you have a condition, it's risky to your health, you need to take something to help you to operate as normal.

To use that something you need a TUE, because if most finger chuckers on this forum bothered to look at the millions of products on the list, they would crap their pants, because I can assure you we probably have not one single hubber that has not taken something in that vast list.

 

That TUE says you are allowed to use this drug, not because it gives you an edge on those who can't, but because you need it for your own health

Let's face it SAIDS f-upped here, they are as useless as most organisations we have in this circus of a country.

Brandon f-upped here and he acknowledged so.

The fact that he was over the limit, well ,here is where it gets interesting.

Either the practitioner administering the drug over loaded the dosages or Brandon knowingly asked for more (this we will never know)

Failure number 2, is also negligence from Barndo's side as well as his doctor, they should have tested his levels religiously and as soon as it normalised they should have stopped treatment.

[SwissVan]

Coulda , shoulda, woulda....helluva lotta da's

Hindsight science

Like its the first time this has ever happened in pro sport

[Patchelicious]

A conscious decision to act against known laws to achieve a material end!

Exactly. It was a conscious decision to break the rules. That last post shows the motivation was about being competitive too and not just personal reasons.

 

The testo numbers, I have a question. Would I be a better cyclist if my number was 15 rather than if it was 9? If not why are you tested for those levels?

 

What is being said about the genetics debate is very true. Can I start using other banned stuff to "normalize" my other numbers to become competitive? Power, weight, hematocrit... Etc? Or do I accept that I am not genetically geared to be competitive?

[BarHugger]

Sighhhh......

 

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[scotty]

Damn thread gets going on and on, round and round. Missed logging on yesterday and it seems to have run away and taken forever to catch up.

[rouxtjie]

He was over the limit, big mistake.

Problem is everyone is harping on about the fact that he used a "banned" substance.

Yes he did for medical reasons, that needed a TUE to give him permission to race with it ,and to be honest if SAIDS had any sense, they would have taken his application very serious and and they could have wrapped it up within a few days.

 

It's pretty simple, you have a condition, it's risky to your health, you need to take something to help you to operate as normal.

To use that something you need a TUE, because if most finger chuckers on this forum bothered to look at the millions of products on the list, they would crap their pants, because I can assure you we probably have not one single hubber that has not taken something in that vast list.

 

That TUE says you are allowed to use this drug, not because it gives you an edge on those who can't, but because you need it for your own health

Let's face it SAIDS f-upped here, they are as useless as most organisations we have in this circus of a country.

Brandon f-upped here and he acknowledged so.

The fact that he was over the limit, well ,here is where it gets interesting.

Either the practitioner administering the drug over loaded the dosages or Brandon knowingly asked for more (this we will never know)

Failure number 2, is also negligence from Barndo's side as well as his doctor, they should have tested his levels religiously and as soon as it normalised they should have stopped treatment.

I agree with this. I don't think we will ever hear SAIDS side of the story. But as you said it is a comedy of errors on both sides.

 

Also I do have a certain amount of empathy for the man, he has a young family and needs to put food on the table. The rolling of the dice on his livelihood wasn't a smart move but the boat has sailed now.

[Blackbeard]

I agree with this. I don't think we will ever hear SAIDS side of the story. But as you said it is a comedy of errors on both sides.

 

Also I do have a certain amount of empathy for the man, he has a young family and needs to put food on the table. The rolling of the dice on his livelihood wasn't a smart move but the boat has sailed now.

A body or forum mandated to make a decision, having made that decision and provided reasons for its decision, cannot engage in further debate on the issue. BS would have been entitled to the reasons for the SAIDS decision. If he is dissatisfied with the reasons given, he has further options available to him which he appears not to have availed himself of.

[rouxtjie]

A body or forum mandated to make a decision, having made that decision and provided reasons for its decision, cannot engage in further debate on the issue. BS would have been entitled to the reasons for the SAIDS decision. If he is dissatisfied with the reasons given, he has further options available to him which he appears not to have availed himself of.

Also my understanding, they really don't owe thehub an explanation. The fat lady has sung so to speak.