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Nowhere did anyone say that there was a potion. Applying the accepted science is a tool that will enable the OP to train better, as he we be able to maintain higher exercise intensities for longer periods.  It is not true that carbohydrate consumption automatically negates any effort to lose weight. If it enables you to train for longer at higher intensities, it will more often than not result in a more negative energy balance than training on water until you hit the wall, especially if you're hitting the wall very early on in your ride. And that's ignoring all of the other positive effects it will have on your body.

mmmm but you see...its in the way you sell the advice that I dont agree with you.

 

"Applying the accepted science is a tool that will enable the OP to train better, as he we be able to maintain higher exercise intensities for longer periods"

 

Now to me this sounds like drink and eat X Y and Z and you will be reaching your cycling goals which to be honest simply isnt true, unless I have misunderstood what you are trying to say. The impact of training more and conditioning your body far outweighs the impact of your juice bottle's content. Also these potions almost always contain high calories...so if you dont burn them or at best, negate them, you really arent losing weight from your efforts. Remember cycling is and will always be a power to weight ratio game...losing weight will have a HUGE impact on what he perceive as heavy vs light effort.

 

The htfu comment purely suggests, get on your bike and ride 30km without relying on snake oils. Your body can handle it.

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HTFU also means to not look for short-cuts (Powerade and that other drink) and earn the way to more power through hard sweaty work that normally involves pain

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HTFU also means to not look for short-cuts (Powerade and that other drink) and earn the way to more power through hard sweaty work that normally involves pain

 

May I ask what exactly it is that causes this pain when not taking "short-cuts" that doesn't exist when you are using these "short-cuts"?

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HTFU also means to not look for short-cuts (Powerade and that other drink) and earn the way to more power through hard sweaty work that normally involves pain

Deffos Dale...

 

Its more a case of fact vs story...fact you can measure(every kg you drop you will go faster / further, every watt you increase you can go faster / further) by a measurable amount.

 

Story comes as an interpretation of a fact...if I drink / sniff / pop this potion I will go faster / longer. The how much can never be measured.

 

Some people like stories, some like facts...

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May I ask what exactly it is that causes this pain when not taking "short-cuts" that doesn't exist when you are using these "short-cuts"?

I lost my reasoning ability after the first "short-cuts" in your post

 

:-/

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May I ask what exactly it is that causes this pain when not taking "short-cuts" that doesn't exist when you are using these "short-cuts"?

sure its lactic acid.
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Great find, thank you. So the OP is constantly suffering from a lack of energy after almost exactly one hour of riding, and has seemingly not made any improvements over a number of months of training...

Assumption.

 

Nowhere does the OP specify a time frame.

 

For all we now he has been on 1 ride, or it could be a 1000.

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I lost my reasoning ability after the first "short-cuts" in your post

 

:-/

 

Sorry ' Dale, I didn't mean to appear argumentative. I'll rephrase. You implied that not consuming carbohydrates on the bike allows cyclists to experience more pain than they do when consuming carbohydrates. Could you explain why you believe this to be from a physiological point of view?

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Assumption.

 

Nowhere does the OP specify a time frame.

 

For all we now he has been on 1 ride, or it could be a 1000.

 

Look at the links i posted, he posted a similar one end of July

 

So its at least 2 rides

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Sorry ' Dale, I didn't mean to appear argumentative. I'll rephrase. You implied that not consuming carbohydrates on the bike allows cyclists to experience more pain than they do when consuming carbohydrates. Could you explain why you believe this to be from a physiological point of view?

You took his post out of context. read it again.
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You took his post out of context. read it again.

 

I'm just trying to understand how using an energy drink is a short-cut. Can you not work hard and feel pain while consuming energy drink? It is a fact that carbohydrates allow one to train more and experience more pain without depleting one's glycogen stores and "hitting the wall", so how can the opposite possibly be true? Is eating before and after cycling also a short-cut?

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I'm just trying to understand how using an energy drink is a short-cut. Can you not work hard and feel pain while consuming energy drink? It is a fact that carbohydrates allow one to train more and experience more pain without depleting one's glycogen stores and "hitting the wall", so how can the opposite possibly be true? Is eating before and after cycling also a short-cut?

If that is all you rely on it is I am afraid. Training hard and losing weight will almost negate you having to consume energy drinks. Its a supplement afterall.

 

Now can I perhaps ask a question...how much more does energade allow you to train. I need numbers like 3.43km per 500ml of energade

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Lets put this in perspective.

 

Snail you are proposing to add some nutritional component to the ride which should see him improve (IF he is indeed committed to a consistent regular training regimen. This has not been established yet...) This improvement is subjective if the training schedule remains exactly the same, which is how your post reads. (aka "just add energade dude!")

 

We all know that if you change your training habits and increase the TITS (time in the saddle) you will see a major improvement in your ability along with weight loss. Both of these elements have far greater impact on your actual racing ability over the long term. This is why it will be the first port of call as advice when someone raises a query about a family type distance and performance issue. If he had raised this query as a post 100 clicks racing query we would all be supporting your thoughts.

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Do you guys think OP is a troll? He has not replied ones?

 

In my own personal opinion as a starter cycling guy i agree with push thru the pain and just keep going. If you experience this tiredness thru uphill struggles try changing your route to give yourself some resting periods where you peddal with less strain. 
 I started in may with a total monthly of 60km and almost doubled that km each month untill sept. when i got sick. So this month a nice round target of 600km which is not much but a start. 

 

Basically what i would say depending on your sittuation try planning routes better and just stick to water instead of relying on added energy to boost you. I now eat a bannana on 25 km and another at 50km finishing on 60km route.

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Deffos Dale...

 

Its more a case of fact vs story...fact you can measure(every kg you drop you will go faster / further, every watt you increase you can go faster / further) by a measurable amount.

 

Story comes as an interpretation of a fact...if I drink / sniff / pop this potion I will go faster / longer. The how much can never be measured.

 

Some people like stories, some like facts...

 

It is not true that for every kilogram you drop you will go faster. Firstly, power to weight ratio is only the sole determinate on gradients above approximately 8%, whereas power to frontal surface area is the sole determinate on flat roads. Anything in between that is a combination of the two. In addition, with regards to power to weight ratio, everyone has an optimum weight, and at anything other than that optimum weight their power to weight ratio will not be optimum, either due to loss of power due to loss in lean muscle mass or gain in weight.

 

If that is all you rely on it is I am afraid. Training hard and losing weight will almost negate you having to consume energy drinks. Its a supplement afterall.

 

Now can I perhaps ask a question...how much more does energade allow you to train. I need numbers like 3.43km per 500ml of energade

 

Would you regard, for example, a banana as a no-go too, or is it just energy drinks that you have a problem with?

 

It's virtually impossible to quantify most things in life on an individual basis, but it is still possible to make a qualitative decision based on the science. Just as an example of what's out there, Jeukendrup et al. (1997) found an average improvement of 2.3% in well-trained cyclists during a 1-hour time trial and Maughan (1996), found that the intake of 16g of glucose per hour improved endurance capacity by 14% on average compared to water. Coggan and Coyle (1987) also found hugely significant differences in time to fatigue with and without carbohydrate ingestion.

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