New Zealand - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

[Wayne Potgieter]

You weren't paying attention Wayne. This is Bond stuff.

same thing.

[Wayne Potgieter]

You weren't paying attention Wayne. This is Bond stuff.

same thing.

[patham]

And Wayne, with your double post you perfectly illustrate the concept of Stack Bond, where all the elements line up vertically superimposed.

 

You must have been paying attention after all  

 

You can collect your internet expert qualification on your way out.

[intern]

Check this quick commentary from Sir Bob Jones:

https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/05/06/simon-bridges-scores/

[intern]

He's a Sir, lads, so we'd better listen to ole Bob eehhhh

[intern]

And here comes the daft 'buy local' idiocy, as if on cue:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/back-your-backyard/300006414/new-zealands-immediate-focus-should-be-on-domestic-tourism-before-we-look-at-a-transtasman-bubble

 

Here we go again with standing in a bucket and trying to lift ourselves up by the handle. This is why everyone should have at least a basic understanding of economics. After all, economics describes how the world works, which may well also be the reason it's called the dismal science.

 

(the real reason it's so described, of course, is because unlike other branches of science, economics isn't an exact one).

[intern]

This,too, is well worth a read.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/04/28/ardern-bloomfield-should-never-have-imposed-lockdown/

 

An extract:

In separate studies conducted in California, Professor Ioannidis’s team found that the number of persons likely infected with COVID-19 was 28 to 55 times (those aren’t typos) higher that the official figures suggested. Most of these individuals were completely unaware that they had contracted COVID-19 due to the fact that (as has now been unequivocally established), in the vast majority of individuals COVID-19 has no or only very mild symptoms.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

Hi all, so what are your opinions on the new bill adopted whereby the government can take over the handling of INZ's duties.

Could be good, or bad. Waiting to see how it all pans out while eagerly awaiting permission to get over now!!

[l4y3rcake]

Here's a ray of light. Emigration takes a really long time (unless you are hired by a firm that really needs you) so the planning and action can take a year or more. Getting your ducks in a row is a big and expensive job, so take your time with it, spread the cost, cover your bases (and something something more jargon) and then be ready to shift when the time is right.

 

You also make the time right yourself.

 

Of course, there is no denying that emigration is risky as a matter of course. It is now doubly so as we can expect a massive wave of unemployment which as WP says, will make it harder for emigres to find work.

 

Best of luck to you. 

 

We might just ditch NZ as our primary immigration destination. Luckily we haven't put too much funds in it just yet. Just got our docs in place, but will need those for any other country in anyway. We will now be looking at the US and Aus.

[intern]

We might just ditch NZ as our primary immigration destination. Luckily we haven't put too much funds in it just yet. Just got our docs in place, but will need those for any other country in anyway. We will now be looking at the US and Aus.

 

All I can say right now is that we are in very,very deep dwang. Most folks can't reall grasp just how deep the dwang is because the extended good times make folks complacent. But man oh man it ain't looking good.

[patham]

All I can say right now is that we are in very,very deep dwang. Most folks can't reall grasp just how deep the dwang is because the extended good times make folks complacent. But man oh man it ain't looking good.

 

Agreed. But to add to the sentiment with regards to people who are exploring immigration to NZ or other countries, the dwang is pretty widespread and you will struggle to find a place in the traditional destinations that will not have significant impacts.

 

In times of trouble, nations become insular and will want to look after their own first. The US has already pronounced some sort of immigration limit. Places like Aus/NZ may not necessarily make dramatic press announcements but will throttle entries by means of slowing processing times or raising of points requirements to ludicrous levels so that only Doogie Howser M.D. can enter.

 

(I hear millenials googling frantically to get the reference ) 

[patches]

Agreed. But to add to the sentiment with regards to people who are exploring immigration to NZ or other countries, the dwang is pretty widespread and you will struggle to find a place in the traditional destinations that will not have significant impacts.

 

In times of trouble, nations become insular and will want to look after their own first. The US has already pronounced some sort of immigration limit. Places like Aus/NZ may not necessarily make dramatic press announcements but will throttle entries by means of slowing processing times or raising of points requirements to ludicrous levels so that only Doogie Howser M.D. can enter.

 

(I hear millenials googling frantically to get the reference ) 

 

Many years ago my younger sister (then in grade 10) was writing a speech for English class. The topic was on young people who had excelled.

 

I jokingly said to her she should mention Doogie Howser, who got his medical degree at 14 or something like that.

 

Not realising I was joking, she proceeded to put a 1 liner in her speech, referencing this remarkable teenager.

 

Man did I get it when she came home after being laughed at by her teacher for presenting a speech referencing Doogie Howser

Edited May 6, 2020 by patches

[Wayne Potgieter]

We might just ditch NZ as our primary immigration destination. Luckily we haven't put too much funds in it just yet. Just got our docs in place, but will need those for any other country in anyway. We will now be looking at the US and Aus.

 

 

All I can say right now is that we are in very,very deep dwang. Most folks can't reall grasp just how deep the dwang is because the extended good times make folks complacent. But man oh man it ain't looking good.

 

 

Agreed. But to add to the sentiment with regards to people who are exploring immigration to NZ or other countries, the dwang is pretty widespread and you will struggle to find a place in the traditional destinations that will not have significant impacts.

 

In times of trouble, nations become insular and will want to look after their own first. The US has already pronounced some sort of immigration limit. Places like Aus/NZ may not necessarily make dramatic press announcements but will throttle entries by means of slowing processing times or raising of points requirements to ludicrous levels so that only Doogie Howser M.D. can enter.

 

(I hear millenials googling frantically to get the reference ) 

I agree with the following:

 

• This is a problem that is going to take time to repair and it will get worse before it gets better
• Most of the world is going to be effected

I would rather be here than almost anywhere else on earth to recover from the fallout. Kiwis are resilient and the economy reflects that. I am in no way trying to say that things are going to be peachy, but I think NZ will recover faster and better than most.

 

@ Layercake - not to tell you what to do, but of the three destinations you have mentioned, I reckon NZ is probably the best. Timing totally sucks though. Sorry dude. Hope you come right and If there is anything I can do from my end, just shout!

[intern]

While I partially agree with your comments Wayne, the hammer blow to tourism makes me wonder. We do have a resilient farming sector (including forestry [forestry will suffer, reduced demand] and fishing), though, despite the best efforts of Labour and the Greens to hamstring and interfere with its productivity, and that is a major saving grace. But other sectors, like manufacturing, retail, services, etc, are going to feel the pinch big time. We are not going to have much immigration because job demand drives immigration demand. AirBNBs are going to come onto the market, more rentals and sales.

Tourism was our biggest deal. Think of all the camper vans, rental cars, motels and hotels, etc etc. All empty. All gone. Number 8 wire ain't gonna fix this, maybe a pair of Red Bands and a job mucking out the pigs, I dunno.

I think Straya is going to get out of this better and faster, personally. But who knows.

[intern]

Many years ago my younger sister (then in grade 10) was writing a speech for English class. The topic was on young people who had excelled.

 

I jokingly said to her she should mention Doogie Howser, who got his medical degree at 14 or something like that.

 

Not realising I was joking, she proceeded to put a 1 liner in her speech, referencing this remarkable teenager.

 

Man did I get it when she came home after being laughed at by her teacher for presenting a speech referencing Doogie Howser

 

What an insolent fellow you are patches! hahaha

[intern]

Also, fast food is absolutely booming, maybe I can call on my extensive experience managing a KFC in Heidelberg in the late 1990s...you want fries with that?