Bicycle licence fees

[Quagga]

Chicken and egg situation, the motorist that could kill you could not even me angry towards cyclists. The guys on their phone dont even see cyclists, so the cyclist action really does not matter. 

 

Not saying do whatever you want, just put your safety first. I am not going to trust someone in a yellow dawoo behind me coming through Bantry Bay to make an informed decision while talking on phone and smoking a ciggy. The driver will see a peleton of cyclists, realise not able to pass and only do so when safe. 

 

When cars start passing cyclists with the required 1 metre space and when safe to do so, then we will consider single file.

Sometimes I feel that I would rather have a driver shout at me to go more left (at lease he did see me and is aware to not hit me) than have him miss my by mm while texting. 

[Patchelicious]

Chicken and egg situation, the motorist that could kill you could not even me angry towards cyclists. The guys on their phone dont even see cyclists, so the cyclist action really does not matter. 

 

Not saying do whatever you want, just put your safety first. I am not going to trust someone in a yellow dawoo behind me coming through Bantry Bay to make an informed decision while talking on phone and smoking a ciggy. The driver will see a peleton of cyclists, realise not able to pass and only do so when safe. 

 

When cars start passing cyclists with the required 1 metre space and when safe to do so, then we will consider single file.

 

 

Motorist: I will start passing you by the required 1m when you start obeying the law and riding single file. 

[Patchelicious]

Sometimes I feel that I would rather have a driver shout at me to go more left (at lease he did see me and is aware to not hit me) than have him miss my by mm while texting. 

If thats your preference, you cannot then also demand to have your rights respected.

 

Cake and eat it.....

[carbon29er]

I agree with you here, however we can say the same for motorists. 

 

Motorist should 1st clean up their own act (Stop talking on cellphones, and texting etc ) before pinting fingers at cyclists.

Exactly.

[Quagga]

Motorist: I will start passing you by the required 1m when you start obeying the law and riding single file. 

How about this.

 

Motorist "Stop using your cellphone before moaning at anyone else"

[carbon29er]

Motorist: I will start passing you by the required 1m when you start obeying the law and riding single file. 

The law doesn't work like that. And it's a bollocks excuse to endanger someone's life.

[Quagga]

If thats your preference, then you cannot then also demand to have your rights respected.

 

Cake and eat it.....

For sure, I say that is how feel :-) not what I do......

 

I try and keep my side clean. :-) 

[CJ Van]

While reading this article I saw this “who’s who” box with some of his info.  He is the Marketing Manager at a company called SGB Cape.  I wanted to email their HR department a link to this article and asked them if this is the view of their entire company or just there managers……  Maybe they would be interested in knowing what their managers view are when he so openly advertise where he works.

 

Unfortunately they don’t have an email address listed on the website.

 

[bikebloke]

that's more like it get back to bashing knuckle head neil .....

[Eddy Gordo]

Sometimes I feel that I would rather have a driver shout at me to go more left (at lease he did see me and is aware to not hit me) than have him miss my by mm while texting. 

Agreed, unfortunately some cyclists see this as a threat

[Eddy Gordo]

Don't you get it, bro? 1 cyclist = 1m gap. 2 cyclists abreast = 2m gap and so on.

I missed the memo on that

[Patchelicious]

The law doesn't work like that. And it's a bollocks excuse to endanger someone's life.

Thats not the point of my post. The point of my post is that there is a rebuttal for every thing you tell other people to do.

 

You first, no you first, no you first, no I will when you will, well you do it first...... like that ever works.

 

Motorist must improve their behavior and cyclists must improve their behavior, everybody can agree on this.

 

Cyclists insisting that motorist improve their behavior first and motorist insisting that cyclist improve their behavior first is not really an effective approach.

[carbon29er]

I tink we should have a "name and shame" scetion where we report all rule breakers. Most use a dashcam or a camera on your bike. If we see a cyclist skipp a red light / stop street post it here. With Strava etc it is very easy to name them. Then also post motorist that act like idiots.

 

But then again, I am not sure if it will improve. I tried to report Golden Arrow on facebook for 2 years and gavwe up, as they just carry on doing the same thing at the same place.

 

This is where it gets silly. I have yet to see a photo posted on social media of a heinous LAW BREAKER jumping a T-Junction red light with a solid pavement on the left, as found on Beach Road, Sea Point, where the poster is not breaking the law themselves by using a phone while driving.

 

I take a completely different view. Cyclists should stick together on this issue and not try embarrass the genre. And give fuel to the motorists that we are a bunch of law ignoring hooligans. Same reason one greets another cyclist when passing on the road or trial.

 

I say this particularly as it's my risk when I choose not to stop at a clear stop or my favourite type of red light. It does not affect a motorist at all. Other than in their mind.

 

But when a motorist ignores the basic laws on adequate space when passing a cyclist they are putting that cyclist at risk of injury or worse. If death is worse than an injury. (Do I fall into a trap here and use a different font?)

 

In terms of road safety that is a huge difference between the two types of law breakers.

[Eddy Gordo]

While reading this article I saw this “who’s who” box with some of his info.  He is the Marketing Manager at a company called SGB Cape.  I wanted to email their HR department a link to this article and asked them if this is the view of their entire company or just there managers……  Maybe they would be interested in knowing what their managers view are when he so openly advertise where he works.

 

Unfortunately they don’t have an email address listed on the website.

 

[Patchelicious]

Exactly.

Two questions:

 

1: How do you suggest that we get them to clean up their act first?

 

Seeing that they must act first:

 

2: Can we carry on riding like inconsiderate people until we come to the conclusion that motorist are now obey enough rules to satisfy us, then we can become normal members of society again?

[carbon29er]

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is not really an effective approach.

 

Unfortunately there is no effective approach that does not involve changes to law and draconian punishment.

 

Motorists will only change their behaviour when there is a risk to their liberty if they are involved in an accident with a cyclist. Cyclists will not change their behaviour in non life threatening law breaking while they are a vulnerable user group.

 

It is well documented that driver liability is the single biggest encourager of drivers paying more attention to cyclists. Even segregated pathways have not been as effective as there will always be a time the cycle path has to cross the motorists path.

 

Driver liability is where, in the event of an accident, the motorist is assumed liable and has to prove it was the cyclists fault. In SA law the onus is on the state to prove the driver was at fault. Much harder to do.