carbon29er Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Are there any testing and certification standards for cycling helmets?I ride a motorbike and lids need a certification of testing. Might not be near perfect but at least you know there are minimum standards adhered to.There are 3 major standards used for cycle helmets:Australia - arguably the toughest certification processEurope CE certification EN1078US CPSC standard South Africa generally follows the EU CE requirements. Here is an article explaining the Australian rules and differences to Europe and US: https://cyclingtips.com/2013/04/australian-helmet-standards-what-you-need-to-know/
Pah Bear Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 don't waste your time -all helmets from china portals lke aliexpress or dhgate are fakespez fox kask -all fake and not worth risking your life for a few bucks saving This China helmet story is on the boil at the moment. Know a group importing a whole lot of Protons. Not sure if they satisfy any safety standards so didn't order, but many feel that most if not all goods originate in China anyway, so ... The discussion on Fong Kong frames and wheels have been all the rave around here and many seem to support the idea that there are absolutely nothing wrong with them, quality wise. What's the view on helmets seeing as safety here is a major consideration? And ... disagree with bikebloke, there's quite a few quid difference here.
bikebloke Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 This China helmet story is on the boil at the moment. Know a group importing a whole lot of Protons. Not sure if they satisfy any safety standards so didn't order, but many feel that most if not all goods originate in China anyway, so ... The discussion on Fong Kong frames and wheels have been all the rave around here and many seem to support the idea that there are absolutely nothing wrong with them, quality wise. What's the view on helmets seeing as safety here is a major consideration? And ... disagree with bikebloke, there's quite a few quid difference here. its your money and its your head im not telling you what to do im just putting the info out there. those Chinese helmets are junk and don't meet any standards fyi ALL kasks are made in Italy .
Furbz Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 keep in mind no crash replacement policy. but a super comfortable helmet!saved my head nicely when i came off would i buy it again? - definately
carbon29er Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 What's the view on helmets seeing as safety here is a major consideration?Almost all helmet manufacturers will certify their goods on one of the 3 standards. I would not buy a safety product that is not certified. Is the certification a fake? I doubt it, the market is too big and judgemental. Remember we buy the odd unit, the chain stores like decathlon, Halfords and Walmart buy millions.
carbon29er Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 its your money and its your head im not telling you what to do im just putting the info out there. those Chinese helmets are junk and don't meet any standards fyi ALL kasks are made in Italy .Really? I imported a few for retail client a little while ago. CE Certified with the certification available for inspection. Same certification I received from European based suppliers for their products.
bikebloke Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Really? I imported a few for retail client a little while ago. CE Certified with the certification available for inspection. Same certification I received from European based suppliers for their products.well as usual you know better but for those not willing to accept that ....you can read this and look for info in it such as this quote : "Helmets sold in the US must undergo Consumer Product Safety Commission testing and carry a sticker certifying that they passed (or a Snell B90A sticker, essentially the same standard). Many fakes purchased in the US have incorrect markings, such as a CE (European standard)." http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/components/catch-counterfeiter-sketchy-world-fake-bike-gear
carbon29er Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 well as usual you know better but for those not willing to accept that ....you can read this and look for info in it such as this quote : "Helmets sold in the US must undergo Consumer Product Safety Commission testing and carry a sticker certifying that they passed (or a Snell B90A sticker, essentially the same standard). Many fakes purchased in the US have incorrect markings, such as a CE (European standard)." http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/components/catch-counterfeiter-sketchy-world-fake-bike-gearBeen covered many times: fakes v Chinese products. If it's too good to be true it usually is. Bicycling magazine has run a LOT of these types of articles. There are many companies in China that make products to a standard and there are many that produce counterfeit goods. Who buys counterfeit and expects the same quality? Do you honestly think I would state facts around certification for a safety item like a helmet without actually checking it was legitimate? A bit less with the condescending "as usual you know better", it is completely unnecessary in a forum that is discussing helmets and safety standards. You posted a pretty strong opinion without any evidence. I questioned that and stated a fact. Was the first part of your retort really necessary? The article you posted, however, did give an insight into your thinking and justification for the post I quoted.
bikebloke Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Been covered many times: fakes v Chinese products. If it's too good to be true it usually is. Bicycling magazine has run a LOT of these types of articles. There are many companies in China that make products to a standard and there are many that produce counterfeit goods. Who buys counterfeit and expects the same quality? Do you honestly think I would state facts around certification for a safety item like a helmet without actually checking it was legitimate? A bit less with the condescending "as usual you know better", it is completely unnecessary in a forum that is discussing helmets and safety standards. You posted a pretty strong opinion without any evidence. I questioned that and stated a fact. Was the first part of your retort really necessary? The article you posted, however, did give an insight into your thinking and justification for the post I quoted. as usual rob you are behaving like a self righteous .......;. just be right then its only other peoples lives after all.....or do you wear one of those Chinese helmets yourself ?
carbon29er Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 as usual rob you are behaving like a self righteous .......;. just be right then its only other peoples lives after all.....or do you wear one of those Chinese helmets yourself ? Not self righteous at all. Self righteous would be when I post an opinion without stating why I hold that opinion. I rarely do that. I have a collection of helmets. Not one a fake but genuine. Unless all the SA distributors source from fake sources. Rudy Project Stirling. Made in China. Lazer Genesis with life-beam heart rate sensor. Made in China. 2 x Giro. Made in China. I don't know where the Specialized was made, it's in storage. What's stopping me wearing a direct source Chinese helmet? I don't like the styling and I prefer to check fit and weight before I buy. And yes, I'll admit it. Although I have a great relationship with the Kask distributors in SA I don't like wearing something worn by Sky. But then I'm conflicted because I do sit on a Fizik saddle. Have for 13 years. So maybe you are right?
Mountain_Goat Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 If the helmets coming from china is fake then perhaps the safety certification is fake as well? Fake helmets have been tested against original helmets and have shown to crack under impact more quickly than original helmets... Youtube it
Christie Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 But then again, most cyclists in the Netherlands ride without helmets. Some local guys as well. Which is safer: no helmet vs a Chinese replica one? Or an old topsport helmet vs a modern Chinese replica? Imo a helmet is directly related to your own head, let everybody decide for themselves how much risk they are willing to take.
Duane_Bosch Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 $25 for a Kask Protone....... Shu. There are certain things I don't take chances with.
carbon29er Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 If the helmets coming from china is fake then perhaps the safety certification is fake as well? Fake helmets have been tested against original helmets and have shown to crack under impact more quickly than original helmets... Youtube itWhich is why you check with the certification authority before placing big orders for items that need to be certified.
carbon29er Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 $25 for a Kask Protone....... Shu. There are certain things I don't take chances with.Definitely a fake. There is however a difference between counterfeit/fake products and own brand products. But then you get the guys who buy own brand and paint it to make it counterfeit. Have seen quite a few frames with spez paintwork. Never looked at helmets that hard to see if that is being done too.
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