What is the PPA doing?

[Patchelicious]

If most of their subs come from road, they should look after that revenue stream!

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

If most of their subs come from road, they should look after that revenue stream!

Most of their income comes from the CTCT. But MTB is still cycling, no? Why should it only be spent on road or MTB? Why not a balance?

 

Agreed that there should be more road events, but I cannot get behind icycling's call for CTCT money to be spent SOLELY on road cycling. That, to me, sounds like a 1%er saying that only the affluent suburbs should have roads, 'cos that's where all the tax money comes from. 

[Icycling]

If most of their subs come from road, they should look after that revenue stream!

PPA has one "mother ship" where all the income money goes - not allocated in pockets. The spend is kind of allocated in pockets.

[Patchelicious]

Just a q - does not then Rob's mail (in the initial post) make sense? Engaging with local gov't to try and sort something out?

 

Or in your opinion is that just more noise?

 

Just asking. Seems we've gone full circle, almost. 

 

FWIW I agree that there should be more transparency... 

Absolutely, but thats 1 meeting, that was a reaction to recent deaths. 

 

Whats the plans that are currently in motion?

 

Hence my tongue is cheek comment about R3m being spent on one MEC meeting.

[Slowbee]

CTCT gets a lot of press and TV coverage - So, as a protest on

 

a)   'Cyclist road carnage' and

b)   'We want more action from PPA and CSA" 

 

What about something like a 'delayed start' protest or  'sit-down' protest at the CTCT

 

We all sit for an hour before starting anyway - so not much extra effort/pain in a extra few minutes.

 

Only takes one guy with a poster held up in front of every bunch to explain what and why - to get a buy-in and participation.   Can also start advertising on Club sites, facebook pages etc to spread the news.

Can also have banners facing the press - with the above message - and the large yellow 'stay wider of the rider" etc road signs earlier on this post

 

Lets have  individual groups add a 1 minute (or 30 second) wait before riding - after their 'hoopla" and gunshot.

 

Or - perhaps get the first bunch to wait 5 min or so before riding after their 'hoopla" - (will delay all groups 5min)

 

That type of action/protest will be seen and reported by many media outlets.  

 

 

(hoopla or  whoopa or whatever the f**** we all suppose to say)

why is no one taking this seriously ?

 

well maybe because the idea and the execution of the idea are two different things. Kinda like the PPA, we have the thinkers and the doers. Alot of thinkers and few doers.

[Patchelicious]

Most of their income comes from the CTCT. But MTB is still cycling, no? Why should it only be spent on road or MTB? Why not a balance?

Thats not what I said is it?

 

I said that they should look after their main revenue stream. This is an important part of business, as is future growth (MTB) but if you only invest in MTB, the coffers will be empty before your dreams of awesome MTB trails are realized.

 

If their subs are down by 50%, then that needs to be addressed, that kind of figure cannot be ignored.

[Patchelicious]

why is no one taking this seriously ?

 

well maybe because the idea and the execution of the idea are two different things. Kinda like the PPA, we have the thinkers and the doers. Alot of thinkers and few doers.

 

Honestly I was thinking of something little more dramatic, like tossing a bucket of fake blood on the podium during the presentation. That will get some attention....... 

[Icycling]

Most of their income comes from the CTCT. But MTB is still cycling, no? Why should it only be spent on road or MTB? Why not a balance?

This would be fine if PPA continued doing what they did in the past for road cycling but they have not. They stopped doing a lot for road cycling and increased their activities in MTB cycling without increasing there income revenue - only the expenses revenue fund by a road bike event noted the CTCT!

 

My belief is outside of PPA - MTB events make quite a bit of money - ABSA Cape Epic etc. If PPA new what they were doing in this field could they not turn there MTB events into great income revenue streams - to be spent on more MTB event?

[carbon29er]

you are also going on heresy re the most current budget as you too have not seen the actual figures on an official letter yet? !? So your facts for the new budget can also not be seen as facts ....the Same way you have said mine can't be.

 

My campaigning as you put it,

 

Snip

I used the term "next time you do the bidding for someone at PPA" not campaigning.

 

I'd say I'm very comfortable with the numbers I mentioned in my post. There is a difference between verifying numbers with a number of different parties who are in the know and taking something at face value because you were told.

 

The point I am trying to make is that I don't believe the PPA is doing all they can to promote safe cycling.  A spend of just over R100k a month when the budget is R200k a month seems to support this.

 

As they are the patron of all things cycling, it would be nice to hear what their strategy is in this critical area, rather than having leaks of large budgets.

[Pure Savage]

CTCT gets a lot of press and TV coverage - So, as a protest on

 

a)   'Cyclist road carnage' and

b)   'We want more action from PPA and CSA" 

 

What about something like a 'delayed start' protest or  'sit-down' protest at the CTCT

 

We all sit for an hour before starting anyway - so not much extra effort/pain in a extra few minutes.

 

Only takes one guy with a poster held up in front of every bunch to explain what and why - to get a buy-in and participation.   Can also start advertising on Club sites, facebook pages etc to spread the news.

Can also have banners facing the press - with the above message - and the large yellow 'stay wider of the rider" etc road signs earlier on this post

 

Lets have  individual groups add a 1 minute (or 30 second) wait before riding - after their 'hoopla" and gunshot.

 

Or - perhaps get the first bunch to wait 5 min or so before riding after their 'hoopla" - (will delay all groups 5min)

 

That type of action/protest will be seen and reported by many media outlets.  

 

 

(hoopla or  whoopa or whatever the f**** we all suppose to say)

 

Agreed, get the elites to wait 5 minutes              -->>  https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/165898-wheel-sucking-debate/page-16?do=findComment&comment=3059221

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Thats not what I said is it?

 

I said that they should look after their main revenue stream. This is an important part of business, as is future growth (MTB) but if you only invest in MTB, the coffers will be empty before your dreams of awesome MTB trails are realized.

 

If their subs are down by 50%, then that needs to be addressed, that kind of figure cannot be ignored.

No Patch, not you - icycling did. Sorry - my quote was ambiguous, and I agree that they need to look after the roadie revenue stream. 

 

I was replying to you, whilst thinking about icycling's post re segregation of income & expenditure to the areas from whence they came. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

This would be fine if PPA continued doing what they did in the past for road cycling but they have not. They stopped doing a lot for road cycling and increased their activities in MTB cycling without increasing there income revenue - only the expenses revenue fund by a road bike event noted the CTCT!

 

My belief is outside of PPA - MTB events make quite a bit of money - ABSA Cape Epic etc. If PPA new what they were doing in this field could they not turn there MTB events into great income revenue streams - to be spent on more MTB event?

Difficult to say, man. I mean, let's be honest here. The CTCT is an IMMENSE money spinner. North of 30,000 entrants in an event which is almost guaranteed continual numbers of entrants. How many MTB events with 1,000 entrants would be necessary in order to guarantee that level of income, given the increased expense (relative to income earned) of the smaller events?

 

The CTCT is an institution in and of itself. A certain level of cross-subsidisation is inevitable, but the level at which this occurs is up for debate. 

 

I see your argument, And whilst I agree that more road events are necessary by the PPA I don't want to see a complete lack of building / expenditure on the MTB / commuting / safe cycling side of things - it's an area that a LOT of people in CT actually love... Having said that, I'd really like to see an uptick in road event expenditure (and the resultant income to the PPA) so that we can all have cake. 

 

This whole "one or the other" thing gets to me. 

[carbon29er]

Agreed, get the elites to wait 5 minutes              -->>  https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/165898-wheel-sucking-debate/page-16?do=findComment&comment=3059221

The only issue with disrupting SA Champs or the Argus is we affect no one but cyclists and cycling admin. Sure, administrators might take notice but that's not where our battle is.

 

Motorists and Government won't see it and SABC won't broadcast it as the cloudy ban is still active.

[Patchelicious]

No Patch, not you - icycling did. Sorry - my quote was ambiguous, and I agree that they need to look after the roadie revenue stream. 

 

I was replying to you, whilst thinking about icycling's post re segregation of income & expenditure to the areas from whence they came. 

Cross subsidies is a tricky little so n so.

 

We struggle with the right balance between interdepartmental funding daily.... 

 

The easy solution is what icycling suggested, and if there wasn't a move from road to MTB, I would actually support it. However the PPA needs to look after its future revenue too, BUT not to the detriment of the existing revenue stream. Organic growth in the MTB scene might not be enough to fund their MTB plans, so use a bit on road as a subsidy. 

 

But IF you have a biased EXCO deciding where the funds go, or IF there are people with vested interest in where the funds go, its never going to be balanced. I am not saying this is the case, I am saying that if that was the case, it would mean trouble for the organization.

[Patchelicious]

The only issue with disrupting SA Champs or the Argus is we affect no one but cyclists and cycling admin. Sure, administrators might take notice but that's not where our battle is.

 

Motorists and Government won't see it and SABC won't broadcast it as the cloudy ban is still active.

It will be a damn good start!

[Pure Savage]

It will be a damn good start!

It will be a perfect start for those in @ and &