Baton defence?

[Red Robin]

One can never really know how you will react in a situation until it happens which is unfortunately a catch 22. People react differently and often very suprisingly so. Instincts of flight or fight are unknown until something happens. I saw the people involved in a whole different light after a pretty bad situation a few years ago.

[BigDL]

I believe it is in your best interest to fire a warning shot first (if possible).

I have resisted posting on this previously, but here goes fwiw. 2 points I would like to raise:

 

1) firing a warning shot can, and has, lead to an argument being made that your life wasn't in that much danger if you had time to assess the risk of firing a warning shot i.e. Where is that bullet going to end up? If you didn't make that assessment before you fired, you were negligient - end of. If you had time to assess, then your life wasn't in imminent danger and you could have sought alternative outcomes. That is not necessarily my opinion, just one side of an ongoing argument. I have used warning shots, but never when my life was in danger, only when others were in danger or to end an incident.

 

2) the reality of an armed confrontation where your life is in immediate danger is rarely one where you have time to **** around with warning shots. A man 10 metres away running at you with a knife is less than 1.5 seconds from being in wrestling range. You don't have time in that situation to fire warning shots, especially not if there are multiple attackers. Factor in the fact that you may have just been knocked off your bike unexpectedly, you don't know where your attackers are, you may not even know what happened, you are trying to get to your gun, the adrenaline is pumping, your hands are shaking, you have tunnel vision (fight or flight equals adrenaline) etc.:..

 

If you can fire a planned warning shot in that situation, you are superhuman.

 

As for the guy who told someone to get a two shot derringer, I would suggest that you go and ask him to stop putting people's lives in danger with bull**** advice. Don't ever make the mistake that, because an oke works in a gunshop, he knows what he is talking about.

 

Sorry to rant, but bull**** winds me up.

[Jurgens Smit]

I have resisted posting on this previously, but here goes fwiw. 2 points I would like to raise:

 

1) firing a warning shot can, and has, lead to an argument being made that your life wasn't in that much danger if you had time to assess the risk of firing a warning shot i.e. Where is that bullet going to end up? If you didn't make that assessment before you fired, you were negligient - end of. If you had time to assess, then your life wasn't in imminent danger and you could have sought alternative outcomes. That is not necessarily my opinion, just one side of an ongoing argument. I have used warning shots, but never when my life was in danger, only when others were in danger or to end an incident.

 

2) the reality of an armed confrontation where your life is in immediate danger is rarely one where you have time to **** around with warning shots. A man 10 metres away running at you with a knife is less than 1.5 seconds from being in wrestling range. You don't have time in that situation to fire warning shots, especially not if there are multiple attackers. Factor in the fact that you may have just been knocked off your bike unexpectedly, you don't know where your attackers are, you may not even know what happened, you are trying to get to your gun, the adrenaline is pumping, your hands are shaking, you have tunnel vision (fight or flight equals adrenaline) etc.:..

 

If you can fire a planned warning shot in that situation, you are superhuman.

 

As for the guy who told someone to get a two shot derringer, I would suggest that you go and ask him to stop putting people's lives in danger with bull**** advice. Don't ever make the mistake that, because an oke works in a gunshop, he knows what he is talking about.

 

Sorry to rant, but bull**** winds me up.

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[johannrissik]

I have resisted posting on this previously, but here goes fwiw. 2 points I would like to raise:

 

1) firing a warning shot can, and has, lead to an argument being made that your life wasn't in that much danger if you had time to assess the risk of firing a warning shot i.e. Where is that bullet going to end up? If you didn't make that assessment before you fired, you were negligient - end of. If you had time to assess, then your life wasn't in imminent danger and you could have sought alternative outcomes. That is not necessarily my opinion, just one side of an ongoing argument. I have used warning shots, but never when my life was in danger, only when others were in danger or to end an incident.

 

2) the reality of an armed confrontation where your life is in immediate danger is rarely one where you have time to **** around with warning shots. A man 10 metres away running at you with a knife is less than 1.5 seconds from being in wrestling range. You don't have time in that situation to fire warning shots, especially not if there are multiple attackers. Factor in the fact that you may have just been knocked off your bike unexpectedly, you don't know where your attackers are, you may not even know what happened, you are trying to get to your gun, the adrenaline is pumping, your hands are shaking, you have tunnel vision (fight or flight equals adrenaline) etc.:..

 

If you can fire a planned warning shot in that situation, you are superhuman.

 

As for the guy who told someone to get a two shot derringer, I would suggest that you go and ask him to stop putting people's lives in danger with bull**** advice. Don't ever make the mistake that, because an oke works in a gunshop, he knows what he is talking about.

 

Sorry to rant, but bull**** winds me up.

Can the warning shot not be fired afterwards?   

I mean, who can tell which of the n+1 shots you fired was the warning shot?

[EvanB]

I remember that in KZN. What eventually happened to him. Must have been highly trained to do that to 3 guys with a knife