Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share Soooo Sky may (no proof) have used legal medicinal "drugs" to enhance performance. Legally. I'm no Brailsford fan but come on. Is the new social media justice system based on "presumed guilty without proof and even if we did find proof it isn't illegal - just immoral". The whole Sky guilt project is based on smoke, rumours, heresay and he said she said. Froomes salbutamol whoopsy is about the only concrete evidence that exists and even that we shouldn't actually know about if the correct rules were followed. I'm all for clean sport but this Sky guilt project smacks of emotion and tallest poppy syndrome.Have you read the report? Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted March 5, 2018 Share Have you read the report? Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkYup. Mostly it was we can't prove it wasn't drugs but we can't prove it was. Either way Sky must pay for our investigation (even thought it proved inconclusive at best). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share My opinion on what wave seen and read and reports etc on sky is that.. They tried it clean.. it didn't work.. they brought in some people who were willing to cross the ethical line had a willing Dr and started using the TUE system to dope. If they want to survive Brialsford has to go... but he won't...going would mean admitting to crossing that line. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share Yup. Mostly it was we can't prove it wasn't drugs but we can't prove it was. Either way Sky must pay for our investigation (even thought it proved inconclusive at best).Don't you want to post the link to the report I have only read some of it ...can't seem to find all of it.. Some being these.. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted March 5, 2018 Share My opinion on what wave seen and read and reports etc on sky is that.. They tried it clean.. it didn't work.. they brought in some people who were willing to cross the ethical line had a willing Dr and started using the TUE system to dope. If they want to survive Brialsford has to go... but he won't...going would mean admitting to crossing that line. Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkPersonally I feel there is a difference between immoral and illegal. I'm fairly confident that if you examined any Pro Tour team to the same depths morality would be found wanting in all of them. That's why we have rules and laws. TUEs are approved by a governing body and need motivation. If the TUE system is not working it's the governing bodies problem not the teams. I'll post the link/report when I'm back at my PC... It won't be soon cos I'm off to ride bikes in Dullstroom now :-) Just throught I'd throw that in for everyone who is at work today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted March 5, 2018 Share My opinion on what wave seen and read and reports etc on sky is that.. They tried it clean.. it didn't work.. they brought in some people who were willing to cross the ethical line had a willing Dr and started using the TUE system to dope. If they want to survive Brialsford has to go... but he won't...going would mean admitting to crossing that line. Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkBusy making coffee and the thought struck me... If lack of morals was sufficient to force people to quit then surely 90% of the current teams should fold? What Sky have been accused of is lucky packet bull**** compared to the last 10 years of doping. Here's a fun reminder of how clean cycling has been since 2010: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share Busy making coffee and the thought struck me... If lack of morals was sufficient to force people to quit then surely 90% of the current teams should fold? What Sky have been accused of is lucky packet bull**** compared to the last 10 years of doping. Here's a fun reminder of how clean cycling has been since 2010: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cyclingBut her emails...[emoji6] No doubt all pro athletes of all sporting disciplines probably abuse the system to get an advantage on their competitors..but atm the report is about Sky.. Yes WADA need to sort the TUE system out..how I don't know...but it has to happen else there will always be issues surrounding it..they will find a way to beat the system.[emoji23] Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonus Posted March 5, 2018 Share It seems that Politicians, Sports Persons and Lawyers all make careers by doing things that are clearly Immoral but not quite Illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share The report can be found here...it's not just cycling of course. https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/970456428979933184?s=19 Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted March 5, 2018 Share Personally I feel there is a difference between immoral and illegal. I'm fairly confident that if you examined any Pro Tour team to the same depths morality would be found wanting in all of them. That's why we have rules and laws. TUEs are approved by a governing body and need motivation. If the TUE system is not working it's the governing bodies problem not the teams. I'll post the link/report when I'm back at my PC... It won't be soon cos I'm off to ride bikes in Dullstroom now :-) Just throught I'd throw that in for everyone who is at work today.. All the lines are blurry smeared by this outfitImmoralUnethicalRule-breakingIllegal Quicksand for the Skybots.Not so quick, but downward spiral ja nee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share Personally I feel there is a difference between immoral and illegal. I'm fairly confident that if you examined any Pro Tour team to the same depths morality would be found wanting in all of them. That's why we have rules and laws. TUEs are approved by a governing body and need motivation. If the TUE system is not working it's the governing bodies problem not the teams. I'll post the link/report when I'm back at my PC... It won't be soon cos I'm off to ride bikes in Dullstroom now :-) Just throught I'd throw that in for everyone who is at work today..But the moment a Dr lies on a TUE that is unethical..and he is upheld to a code of conduct and that is why Freeman is probably under investigation by the Medical council. He will fall the hardest of all of them, the rest can claim ignorance and innocence but it would be a lot harder for him to go with that defence. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share Bets on who will throw who under the bus first..? British cycling probably has the most to lose....FUNDING..reckon they will soon speak out against Sky. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonus Posted March 5, 2018 Share This is not a happy day for me . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted March 5, 2018 Share Did not know this... Quote from CyclingTips Dave Brailsford recently became an official employee of Team Sky, having previously acted in a consultancy position despite being Team Principal. That may have been a show of faith in him by the team’s sponsors, who have thus far resisted calls that he should resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share Did not know this... Quote from CyclingTips Dave Brailsford recently became an official employee of Team Sky, having previously acted in a consultancy position despite being Team Principal. That may have been a show of faith in him by the team’s sponsors, who have thus far resisted calls that he should resign.He may have to now review that decision[emoji6] Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted March 5, 2018 Share ImmoralUnethicalRule-breakingIllegal Quicksand for the Skybots.Not so quick, but downward spiral ja neeOne can also say that if you are using a TUE for performance enhancement and not for a medical reason then that is breaking the WADA code. Wonder who was all part of that select group who trained separate.. 2012 was a long time ago I can't even remember who all was part of Sky besides Wiggins and Froome. Surely in light of this report WADA will launch their own investigation. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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