An-Li Kachelhoffer - Guilty of Anti-Doping Violation - Best kept secret. Why?

[Shebeen]

I don't want to seem like the bad guy here, but this doesn't look good!

 

[Skubarra]

I don't want to seem like the bad guy here, but this doesn't look good!

 

 

 

If you don't want to seem like the bad guy you are not really successful to be honest...

 

You seem quite determined to dig up whatever flimsy conspiracy theory you can??

 

The Polokwane race was in May, she took the medicine end of June - seems perfectly legit to me.

 

But its clear from past threads that it is just inconceivable for a lot of hubbers that athletes are humans that can slip up, a positive test is always proof of a sophisticated doping program.

[Edition 507]

Now I understand.

 

She was racing unless she had an adverse finding in which case she wasn't.

[Shebeen]

If you don't want to seem like the bad guy you are not really successful to be honest...

 

You seem quite determined to dig up whatever flimsy conspiracy theory you can??

 

The Polokwane race was in May, she took the medicine end of June - seems perfectly legit to me.

 

But its clear from past threads that it is just inconceivable for a lot of hubbers that athletes are humans that can slip up, a positive test is always proof of a sophisticated doping program.

I agree, perfectly plausible. But then don't say you're no longer racing in your hearing.

Her story is totally believable, but it's an extremely reckless sequence of events. Both in the offence and the defense of it. 

 

 

Trust me, going through a pro cyclist's twitter time line does not take that much determination.

[scotty]

I didn't suggest that we slamming OP, insert comic sans - I am more highlighting how we failed as hub with not being first with the news

No argument there 

[scotty]

Sorry scotty but you may have beamed me up already. Her sample was taken during an out of competition test which is pretty random, it was not like she had just stepped off from a podium finish and was made to p1ss in a cup. 

Random definition, proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers or events

 

Anli contacted SAID's. SAID's then arranged for her to take a test. Test results proved positive to what Anli said it would, formality really. 

[mvrooyen]

Yip

 

I can't remember when she was SA champ..was it last year or the year before?

 

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2016. Heidi Dalton won last year. After the SA Champs 2017, Anli actually quit racing, as far as I know, due to unhappiness of what happened at the SA Champs. Huge CSA blunder

[mvrooyen]

ja, but except she actually was.

here she is top step of the podium a month earlier!

in the kit of the team she's no longer part of?

 

It is totally plausible, but is just a bit fishy.

I see she didn't have legal representation at the hearing, a lawyer might have ironed out some of her statements to prevent something like this

 

 

 

Yeap, this was 2months before the incident, and before she probably even knew she is pregnant.

 

I will still back her.... she is not that type. She plays fair

[Skubarra]

I agree, perfectly plausible. But then don't say you're no longer racing in your hearing.

Her story is totally believable, but it's an extremely reckless sequence of events. Both in the offence and the defense of it. 

 

 

Trust me, going through a pro cyclist's twitter time line does not take that much determination.

 

 

Last time I checked Polokwane is in South Africa and at the time of the hearing she wasn't part of the local team anymore. Nothing duplicitous about that statement for me.

 

The important point is she did not do a race after taking the medicine, not even while waiting for the results or the "possible TUE" that she might have gotten.

[Edition 507]

Anli contacted SAID's. SAID's then arranged for her to take a test. Test results proved positive to what Anli said it would, formality really. 

Apparently we are not reading the same document. 

[scotty]

Apparently we are not reading the same document. 

My bad, i see you correct she followed up after been tested (point 9 Athletes evidence)

 

As we were. 

[CogitoErgoSum]

I didn't know asthma was contagious.

Oh yes it is an STD. You need it as chronic meds

 

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[V12man]

That was a good read - professional and clear.

 

I'm still a little curious as to how doctors prescribe and athletes consume drugs with little to no regard for whether they're legal or not.

 

Edit: Interesting to note that Salb has a max 4 year sanction! Are you nervous Chris?????

Doctors have an obligation to treat the patient and their symptoms as they present to the best of their ability.

 

The have NO obligation to be in any way concerned about sporting federations anti drug policies and rules.

 

Can't blame the doctor in this case - she refused his preferred treatment.. not that it would have been effective against a viral illness - but might have strengthened her case that she was being legitimately treated for a chest infection - and all medical people will tell you that bronchodilators are indicated to relieve symptoms from time to time.

 

Has she paid proper attention and filled in the tue request at the time of the consult and submitted it rather than trying to do it in arrears she might have had a stronger argument to present.

[Edition 507]

My over-analytical brain has tilted from the pure fiction of her story.

 

So this girl falls violently ill, goes to a doctor who prescribes a medicine that is so powerful that a mere sip of which could ventilate a wheezing elephant, gets tested, totally forgets she is sick until about 23h00 that night, then phones SAIDS the next day to request a TUE to retroactively cover medication she had received the day before for a simple cough?

 

G0d my head is spinning, I need an whiskey!

[Owen]

Let me add a few facts to this discussion.

 

So-called local elite racing in SA is by no means on the same level as racing on a Pro Continental or World Pro Tour Team. A person who gets tested in SA is done as an indiviual. Drug Free Sport do not inform the club or team that the rider represents. Neither do they publish a list of riders, that they have tested. In this case, the ban has already been served and only now this information is published. Not good.

 

An-Li had already resigned from her local team. She was not racing at all at the time of the test. She was planning on the next part of her adult life of bearing children. I suppose she was wrong to not inform SAIDS that she had retired from competitive sport. I'm not sure of the legal side when information can be published by SAIDS. 

 

The information on the case is available to read. It shows that An-Li did not ask for a B Sample to be tested. She acknowledge the fact she took medication issued to her. The doctor who issued the medication admitted he gave her the medication for health reasons. She did not waste time with getting a lawyer. As a kid who almost died a number of time from asthma attacks. My parents would have given me any medication so I would have survived. I have a hole in the side of my abdomen as a result of one of this attacks.

 

Anyway, back to An-Li. She was found guilty. This will not change. She admitted to taking the medication for health reason, not for sporting gain. I doubt there is any cover by SAIDS or CyclingSA. There is also no cover up by any club or team. It was a personal matter between An-Li and SAIDS.

[Eldron]

Doctors have an obligation to treat the patient and their symptoms as they present to the best of their ability.

 

The have NO obligation to be in any way concerned about sporting federations anti drug policies and rules.

 

Can't blame the doctor in this case - she refused his preferred treatment.. not that it would have been effective against a viral illness - but might have strengthened her case that she was being legitimately treated for a chest infection - and all medical people will tell you that bronchodilators are indicated to relieve symptoms from time to time.

 

Has she paid proper attention and filled in the tue request at the time of the consult and submitted it rather than trying to do it in arrears she might have had a stronger argument to present.

 

I wasn't blaming the doctor - I only mentioned the doctor because they would have a better idea of the active ingredients. Their ingredient knowledge coupled with the athletes banned substance knowledge should/could/would have led to An-Li not taking a banned substance.