The Veganism Thread

[Imploder]

While article is certainly pro meat, I did not detect it to be anti vegan.

 

Another factor that causes a lot of pollution is the manufacture of cement. Should we stop building houses? Should we cease using transport. Many of the arguments presented above were environment related but it seems that there are far greater factors in this regard currently at play.

 

This article merely illustrates that abstaining from meat won’t magically save the planet.

 

I think we can all agree that there is no "silver bullet" for getting us out of this mess. Another thing that we can agree on is that sitting on our hands and doing nothing is also not going to save us. The premise behind going vegan/vegetarian/meat-lite is that it is a conscious, active decision to make a difference in some small way to benefit the planet. It is also the most impactful way for ordinary people to make a difference, ie, most bang for your buck, so to speak.

 

It's already been posted but here it is again:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

[IceCreamMan]

This is why I said it’s important for us to be honest about what our personal drives and motivations are.

Odi’s primary concern seems to be saving animals, apart from (Pekkles who he took a dislike too) and saving the planet is a great secondary benefit. Nothing wrong with this, but stopping cement manufacturing won’t save the piglets in the short term, so we need to acknowledge that those arguments won’t satisfy some people’s core concerns.

Understood....in the receding 35 pages an argument was put that veganism would save the planet.

 

I was,addressing that argument, the one regarding animals can never be argued as that’s a private held belief system.

[Odinson]

This is why I said it’s important for us to be honest about what our personal drives and motivations are.

 

Odi’s primary concern seems to be saving animals, apart from (Pekkles who he took a dislike too) and saving the planet is a great secondary benefit. Nothing wrong with this, but stopping cement manufacturing won’t save the piglets in the short term, so we need to acknowledge that those arguments won’t satisfy some people’s core concerns.

******* Pekkles.

 

Joking aside, there’s a bigger picture here, Patch. Even though the plight of animals forcibly bred into the system of animal agriculture lies close to my heart, the environmental aspect is just as important, if not more so. Why? Because without a healthy environment, there won’t be a diversity of fauna and flora, including humans. It is in our collective interest to mitigate climate change as far as practicable. Research and common sense tells us that a plant-based diet is one method of slashing your carbon footprint.

[Patchelicious]

******* Pekkles.

 

Joking aside, there’s a bigger picture here, Patch. Even though the plight of animals forcibly bred into the system of animal agriculture lies close to my heart, the environmental aspect is just as important, if not more so. Why? Because without a healthy environment, there won’t be a diversity of fauna and flora, including humans. It is in our collective interest to mitigate climate change as far as practicable. Research and common sense tells us that a plant-based diet is one method of slashing your carbon footprint.

I don’t disagree with you, I merely point this out so that moderates or people with other motivations don’t get alienated from the bigger picture, different sides same coin and all of that. Edited December 28, 2018 by Patchelicious

[Odinson]

While article is certainly pro meat, I did not detect it to be anti vegan.

 

Another factor that causes a lot of pollution is the manufacture of cement. Should we stop building houses? Should we cease using transport. Many of the arguments presented above were environment related but it seems that there are far greater factors in this regard currently at play.

 

This article merely illustrates that abstaining from meat won’t magically save the planet.

Let me be fair. I’m not blinded to dismiss any pro-meat/anti-vegan out of hand. The opinion piece you posted however is blatantly biased and makes use of selective and questionable sources.

 

I’ve been careful to not state that veganism is the climate change silver bullet. It is however one of the most significant personal changes one can make to reducing their carbon footprint.

 

There’s a hell of a lot of industries and practices that are polluting and they’ll need different solutions. I think that addressing climate change needs a bigger bottom up approach. People sitting idly by and waiting for governments to start taking charge will not solve this problem. We need to be active citizens.

[Chris_]

Let me be fair. I’m not blinded to dismiss any pro-meat/anti-vegan out of hand. The opinion piece you posted however is blatantly biased and makes use of selective and questionable sources.

 

 

 

I'm glad someone said it. That was an appallingly contrived and poorly constructed piece. I have no problem admitting fault or taking constructive criticism, but damn man.... sometimes I just have to laugh.

[Chris_]

I don’t disagree with you, I merely point this out so that moderates or people with other motivations don’t get alienated from the bigger picture, different sides same coin and all of that.

 

How has your new diet been going?

[Patchelicious]

How has your new diet been going?

Well! I’ll try and carry on when back in SA and see how it goes.

[Odinson]

Pretty significant when The Economist pegs 2019 as 'The Year of the Vegan''

 

https://worldin2019.economist.com/theyearofthevegan?utm_source=412&utm_medium=COM

 

 

For the past half-century, veganism has been a minority within a minority. In America in 2015, according to one survey, 3.4% of the population were vegetarian and just 0.4% were vegan. But 2019 will be the year veganism goes mainstream.

Interest in a way of life in which people eschew not just meat and leather, but all animal products including eggs, wool and silk, is soaring, especially among millennials. Fully a quarter of 25- to 34-year-old Americans say they are vegans or vegetarians.

The business of providing vegan meals is booming. McDonald’s has started selling McVegan burgers. Sales of vegan foods in America in the year to June 2018 rose ten times faster than food sales as a whole. Giant food firms are clambering onto the bandwagon, creating vegan lines of their own, buying startups, or both. Tyson Foods, a meat behemoth, has a 5% stake in Beyond Meat, which sells meat-free patties to TGI Friday’s, a restaurant chain. Even Big Meat is going vegan, it seems.

The school district of Los Angeles, America’s second-largest, will start serving vegan meals in all its schools during the 2018-19 academic year. In its annual meeting in 2018, the American Medical Association called on hospitals to offer more such meals. But most national governments have been reluctant to encourage veganism. That could start to change in 2019 when the European Commission at last begins the process of formally defining what counts as vegan (and vegetarian) food, providing a measure of legal certainty.

At the same time, vegan firms are making meat substitutes that actually look and taste like meat. Beyond Meat’s patties ooze with blood made of beetroot juice. When a vegan steak made by a Dutch firm, Vivera, arrived on supermarket shelves in June, 40,000 were sold within a week. If plant-based “meats” take off, they could become a transformative technology, improving Westerners’ protein-heavy diets, reducing the environmental hoofprint of animal husbandry and perhaps even cutting the cost of food in poor countries.

[Goodbadugly]

While article is certainly pro meat, I did not detect it to be anti vegan.

 

Another factor that causes a lot of pollution is the manufacture of cement. Should we stop building houses? Should we cease using transport. Many of the arguments presented above were environment related but it seems that there are far greater factors in this regard currently at play.

 

This article merely illustrates that abstaining from meat won’t magically save the planet.

Agreed. Vegan is being MARKETED as do-gooder attempt to save the earth.

The easiest way to save energy (and reduce a carbon footprint) is to set the aircon to 22deg or even 25 deg in summer. And heat up the building to 16 deg in winter. Yes, it will be a bit less comfortable. But you will do a heck of lot more than importing wonderfoods all over the planet with A1 jetfuel.

The other really easy way is to drive SLOWER.

And travel less. Much less. But the above unfortunately does not have marketing value. Neither does it have virtue signalling effects.

[IceCreamMan]

Pretty significant when The Economist pegs 2019 as 'The Year of the Vegan''

 

https://worldin2019.economist.com/theyearofthevegan?utm_source=412&utm_medium=COM

I really don’t see the point of meat substitutes that purport to look like meat and even ooze blood....hey man that’s like a lesbian buying cock look alike dildos, if you reject a certain thing reject it completely... if you going to be vegan stop hankering for meat substitutes.

 

As for mainstream, vegan and vegetarian is pretty mainstream already. Loads of shops cater for it and some are dedicated to it.

[Goodbadugly]

Pretty significant when The Economist pegs 2019 as 'The Year of the Vegan''

 

https://worldin2019.economist.com/theyearofthevegan?utm_source=412&utm_medium=COM

My wife is a dietitian.

They also have to figure out if the patient can afford the prescribed diet. A vegan diet in a country like South Africa is only for the rich.

'The Economist' does not include 95% of the population of the world.

Millennials will lead the way?

[Odinson]

I really don’t see the point of meat substitutes that purport to look like meat and even ooze blood....hey man that’s like a lesbian buying cock look alike dildos, if you reject a certain thing reject it completely... if you going to be vegan stop hankering for meat substitutes.

 

As for mainstream, vegan and vegetarian is pretty mainstream already. Loads of shops cater for it and some are dedicated to it.

Many people don’t go vegan because they don’t like the taste of animal flesh, but because they don’t want to participate in a system which is cruel and unnecessary, one which is detrimental to their health and which is an ecological nightmare. It’s that simple.

[Odinson]

My wife is a dietitian.

They also have to figure out if the patient can afford the prescribed diet. A vegan diet in a country like South Africa is only for the rich.

'The Economist' does not include 95% of the population of the world.

Millennials will lead the way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpE1Pa8vvI

Then she needs to do a bit of research, because your/her statement is misinformed. Most of the staples of a whole food plant-based diet is zero VAT rated in SA and cheap as chips. If you want to live off of goji berries and meat replacement then it can be expensive.

 

Also, I’m assuming if your wife is in private practice, then she’s not consulting with the poorest of the poor, so I can’t see how a whole food plant-based is out of reach for her patients.

 

Have her read the BROAD study. Mandatory reading for any dietician.

[IceCreamMan]

Many people don’t go vegan because they don’t like the taste of animal flesh, but because they don’t want to participate in a system which is cruel and unnecessary, one which is detrimental to their health and which is an ecological nightmare. It’s that simple.

Sounds like denying yourself something. I get the marketing an understand there is a commercial need for it. Like a catholic chastising himself. Guess these are vegans that eventually lapse. True vegans would have no need for these things.

[Goodbadugly]

Then she needs to do a bit of research, because your/her statement is misinformed. Most of the staples of a whole food plant-based diet is zero VAT rated in SA and cheap as chips. If you want to live off of goji berries and meat replacement then it can be expensive.

 

Also, I’m assuming if your wife is in private practice, then she’s not consulting with the poorest of the poor, so I can’t see how a whole food plant-based is out of reach for her patients.

 

Have her read the BROAD study. Mandatory reading for any dietician.

Then she needs to do a bit of research, because your/her statement is misinformed. Most of the staples of a whole food plant-based diet is zero VAT rated in SA and cheap as chips. If you want to live off of goji berries and meat replacement then it can be expensive.

 

Also, I’m assuming if your wife is in private practice, then she’s not consulting with the poorest of the poor, so I can’t see how a whole food plant-based is out of reach for her patients.

 

Have her read the BROAD study. Mandatory reading for any dietician.

You know it all, don't you.

No use arguing with google experts.