Bateleur1 Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 hmmm <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />But taxi's are a law un to themselves... Yet... I must add. That they are more courteous to cyclists than most other cars Bateleur1... Non taken. But maybe you should have a read up on where your taxes go and for what they are used... Also have a look-see in the traffic regulations' date=' and educate your opinion on road usage. There unfortunately does not include bi-cycles... EXCEPT in a designated cycle path or lane...The similar concept applies to no riding on hiking trails...[/quote'] To save you time, use this link: http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs00.html Enlighten me, especially the part were taxes has got anything to do as to where I may and may not cycle.
Canaris Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 hmmm <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />But taxi's are a law un to themselves... Yet... I must add. That they are more courteous to cyclists than most other cars Bateleur1... Non taken. But maybe you should have a read up on where your taxes go and for what they are used... Also have a look-see in the traffic regulations' date=' and educate your opinion on road usage. There unfortunately does not include bi-cycles... EXCEPT in a designated cycle path or lane...The similar concept applies to no riding on hiking trails...[/quote'] To save you time, use this link: http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs00.html Enlighten me, especially the part were taxes has got anything to do as to where I may and may not cycle. Bateleur don't go there.THE rules are clear. Cycles are entitled to thr left side of the ROAD. (not lane) are like all road users should more WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO, to the left of the lane to allow passing traffic. Passing traffic should not pass other vehicle (INCLUDING CYCLISTS) until it is safe to do so. All road markings ext should be respected by EVERYONE. It is always amazing how the rules only apply to other people. AND the guys who know the least seem to say the most.
Bateleur1 Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 hmmm <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />But taxi's are a law un to themselves... Yet... I must add. That they are more courteous to cyclists than most other cars Bateleur1... Non taken. But maybe you should have a read up on where your taxes go and for what they are used... Also have a look-see in the traffic regulations' date=' and educate your opinion on road usage. There unfortunately does not include bi-cycles... EXCEPT in a designated cycle path or lane...The similar concept applies to no riding on hiking trails...[/quote'] To save you time, use this link: http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs00.html Enlighten me, especially the part were taxes has got anything to do as to where I may and may not cycle. Bateleur don't go there.THE rules are clear. Cycles are entitled to thr left side of the ROAD. (not lane) are like all road users should more WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO, to the left of the lane to allow passing traffic. Passing traffic should not pass other vehicle (INCLUDING CYCLISTS) until it is safe to do so. All road markings ext should be respected by EVERYONE. It is always amazing how the rules only apply to other people. AND the guys who know the least seem to say the most. Agree Kona and am not disputing that. THe statement het made : And unfortunately you do not have right to the road. Until you pay and license your bicycle as a road categorized vehicle that conforms to basic road and traffic regulations... (lights, indicators, brake lights and number/identification plate). is what really intreques me. That is what I am ammused with. Agree with the rest. We should aplly the rules as if we are driving a motor vehicle. You know me well enough and know how I cycle in traffic.
Loon Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 hmmm <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />But taxi's are a law un to themselves... Yet... I must add. That they are more courteous to cyclists than most other cars Bateleur1... Non taken. But maybe you should have a read up on where your taxes go and for what they are used... Also have a look-see in the traffic regulations' date=' and educate your opinion on road usage. There unfortunately does not include bi-cycles... EXCEPT in a designated cycle path or lane...The similar concept applies to no riding on hiking trails...[/quote'] To save you time, use this link: http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs00.html Enlighten me, especially the part were taxes has got anything to do as to where I may and may not cycle. Show me where your bicycle falls into any of those catagories? And...http://www.transport.gov.za/library/legislation/road%20traffic%20act.txt taxes... do you use fuel in your bicycle... If not... then I guess that vehicles that do have the right to the road as they are in effectivly paying for it...
Canaris Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 hmmm <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />But taxi's are a law un to themselves... Yet... I must add. That they are more courteous to cyclists than most other cars Bateleur1... Non taken. But maybe you should have a read up on where your taxes go and for what they are used... Also have a look-see in the traffic regulations' date=' and educate your opinion on road usage. There unfortunately does not include bi-cycles... EXCEPT in a designated cycle path or lane...The similar concept applies to no riding on hiking trails...[/quote'] To save you time, use this link: http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs00.html Enlighten me, especially the part were taxes has got anything to do as to where I may and may not cycle. Show me where your bicycle falls into any of those catagories? And...http://www.transport.gov.za/library/legislation/road%20traffic%20act.txt taxes... do you use fuel in your bicycle... If not... then I guess that vehicles that do have the right to the road as they are in effectivly paying for it... I do use fuel in my car, so does that exclude me from the "freeloading" bicyclists? If so is there a badge I should wear, like "Leave me alone, I also pollute the planet with petro-carbon emissions". or "I am also a motoring jerk". Are pedestrians that use the road (or come into contact with the road) also part of the "not wanted"? May I cross/ transverse a tar road on foot, or should I drive around until I can park on the correct side of the road, so as not to use the road in anything but a car. While you are busy depriving everyone BUT motorists the right to use roads, please cite your references. and lastly, have you paid your taxes this year?
Loon Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Very sorry for not posting 1 ref for the fuel levy charged on fuel... Please find the following as your referance...http://www.sars.gov.za/home.asp?pid=503http://www.sars.gov.za/home.asp?pid=503#Act56of1996RoadAccidentFundAct.doc Do you pay levy to the government for road use on your bicycle. KonaFan... pedestrians have designated pedestrian crossing... Need I say moreBut let me quote you, " It is always amazing how the rules only apply to other people. AND the guys who know the least seem to say the most."Loon2008-10-20 04:37:59
Loon Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 For people who are not in know...Thanks Williehond Over and out...Loon2008-10-20 04:44:55
Guest Agteros Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 I took part in th Teak Trek MTB event yesterday, and there were a lot of roadies showing NO regard to the rules of the road @ abt 7:30 in the morning Let us get our house in order before we start pointing fingers at others.Irrespective of what we feel or think, the law specifically state the following regarding pedal cycles. Please pay attention to the bolded portions from http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs10.html Riding on pedal cycles311. (1) No person shall ride a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is seated astride on the saddle of such pedal cycle.(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle, and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.(3) No person riding or seated on a pedal cycle on a public road shall take hold of any other vehicle in motion.(4) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall deliberately cause such pedal cycle to swerve from side to side.(5) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall carry thereon any person, animal or object which obstructs his or her view or which prevents him or her from exercising complete control over the movements of such pedal cycle.(6) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall do so with at least one hand on the handle-bars of such pedal cycle.(7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.(8) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road or a portion of a public road set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, shall do so in such manner that all the wheels of such pedal cycle are in contact with the surface of the road at all times.
Canaris Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Very sorry for not posting 1 ref for the fuel levy charged on fuel... Please find the following as your referance...http://www.sars.gov.za/home.asp?pid=503http://www.sars.gov.za/home.asp?pid=503#Act56of1996RoadAccidentFundAct.doc Do you pay levy to the government for road use on your bicycle. KonaFan... pedestrians have designated pedestrian crossing... Need I say moreBut let me quote you' date=' " It is always amazing how the rules only apply to other people. AND the guys who know the least seem to say the most."[/quote'] Loon I still cannot follow your argument. THe road regulations explicitly lists pedal cycles as vehicle, even going so far as to say the may have lights (red and white) reg 178 and must have at least one brake (on the back wheel) reg 152. The entire regulation 311 reads: "311. (1) No person shall ride a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is seated astride on the saddle of such pedal cycle.(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle, and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.(3) No person riding or seated on a pedal cycle on a public road shall take hold of any other vehicle in motion.(4) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall deliberately cause such pedal cycle to swerve from side to side.(5) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall carry thereon any person, animal or object which obstructs his or her view or which prevents him or her from exercising complete control over the movements of such pedal cycle.(6) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall do so with at least one hand on the handle-bars of such pedal cycle.(7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.(8) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road or a portion of a public road set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, shall do so in such manner that all the wheels of such pedal cycle are in contact with the surface of the road at all times."Surely it is clear that pedal cycles have a right to use the road? (Or I am missing something? Secondly, how contributing or not contributing to the fuel levy, increases or decreases my "right of use" of the road is unclear. The petrol levy is used to fund the ROAD ACCIDENT FUND not a ROAD CONSTRUCTION fund which you seem to suggest. Obviously if I am a pedestrian or a cyclist in an accident with a vehicle that uses petrol/desiel, I can still claim against the other party's contribution to the RAF for damages? So, no I disagree with your arguement as there is no logical development and causuality, only some vague conjecture on your side.
zeepee Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Loon- the RAF is a fund for third parties involved in car accidents. They dont build roads with it They build roads with your normal tax. So (according to you)it's not the rules of the road that determine weather you can use the road or not it's how much tax you pay?? Raymond Ackerman must be revving his ferrari as we speak........zeepee2008-10-20 04:56:52
Mighty Spoke Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Why dont we try to get something positive out of this?Shaunh, why not ask the 702 guys if we can get a spokesperson from the bicycle fraternity to condemn the actions of these cyclists, and express the opinions of the majority. We just want to share the road safely. We all pay towards it in some way.Should we not get our license money to do something? Should we not ask Cycling SA to do something on this? Could we get 94.7 involved.
Willehond Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 (7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles' date=' no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.[/quote'] This law sucks! It is perfect in countries where the cyclepaths actually exist or where they are kept in good condition, but in SA the paths I know are so bad you don't want to ride there! In Durbanville there is a cycle path from the circle at D'ville High School towards Adderley. Anyone ever actaully try riding it? No, well according to this law you are breaking the law by riding in the road there! Silly
YBB. Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 I just laugh at some of the comments, complete with no logic attached to it... First and formost I am a motorcyclist, then cyclist then a motorist... I do not ride my bicycle out on the road and prefer places where I have control over events... I have ridden Kromdraai (by motorcyclist) quite often, and it is here where I can clearly see that cyclist live in each on their own little cacoon where a sense of self preservation is absent. Riding two or three abreast on a public road, yippee, its like a stage of the TourDeFrance, the peleton is chasing, who knows what but they chase, and maybe, just maybe they exceed 25km/h. All the while cars and bike try megotiate the same sceninc road a four times (or more) the speed, dodging cyclist.... Never giving thought to the speed differential compared to other traffic, if a cars travels at 110km/h to get it to go at the cyclist's speed within a short space requires quite an effort. I dont even want to mentioned bikes, coz Kromdraai on a bike can easily be negociated at above 140km/h and its still leisurely. In all these cases who is going to be hurst more? the cyclist! Or maybe not, maybe the new kit is safe for falling in anything but a swimming pool. Now take riding two abreast and the dangers associated with that. You don't afford each other any safe riding space to either side. The rider on the traffic side is riding near to a suicide line as you can get, coz a small swerve and he/she is in front of an approaching vehicle. The otherside is into the bushes. Now that is very comforting to know. You live in a dreamworld if you think the world is stopping to applaud to as you paddle, most likely you are sworn at coz you are not thinking while you are riding, in fact swerving all over the road at snails pace becoming a mobile hazard at best... best you read the news article abt the bloke who in a road rage incident on the highway stepped backwards while attacking another motorist.... as he stepped back a car took him out...
Canaris Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 I took part in th Teak Trek MTB event yesterday' date=' and there were a lot of roadies showing NO regard to the rules of the road @ abt 7:30 in the morning Let us get our house in order before we start pointing fingers at others.Irrespective of what we feel or think, the law specifically state the following regarding pedal cycles. Please pay attention to the bolded portions from http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs10.html Riding on pedal cycles311. (1) No person shall ride a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is seated astride on the saddle of such pedal cycle.(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle, and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.(3) No person riding or seated on a pedal cycle on a public road shall take hold of any other vehicle in motion.(4) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall deliberately cause such pedal cycle to swerve from side to side.(5) No person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall carry thereon any person, animal or object which obstructs his or her view or which prevents him or her from exercising complete control over the movements of such pedal cycle.(6) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road shall do so with at least one hand on the handle-bars of such pedal cycle.(7) Whenever a portion of a public road has been set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, no person shall ride a pedal cycle on any other portion of such road.(8) A person riding a pedal cycle on a public road or a portion of a public road set aside for use by persons riding pedal cycles, shall do so in such manner that all the wheels of such pedal cycle are in contact with the surface of the road at all times. [/quote'] unfortunately there is a way around this for roadies. It is regulation 317: Racing and sport on public roads317. (1) For the purposes of this regulation the expression "race or sport" includes-- any race, speed trial, reliability trial, hill climbing competition or sports meeting; any other activity whatsoever-- which may constitute a source of danger to traffic; or which may hamper, impede or disrupt the normal flow of traffic. (2) No person shall organize or take part in any race or sport on a public road, unless the prior written consent of the MEC of the province concerned has been obtained or, where the race or sport will take place wholly within the area of jurisdiction of a local authority, the prior written consent of such local authority has been obtained.(3) In granting consent in terms of subregulation (2), the MEC or the local authority concerned, as the case may be, may-- in addition to any requirement prescribed in these regulations, impose such further conditions as he or she or it may deem expedient; exempt any person concerned with the race or sport for the duration thereof-- from any provision of the Act regarding any speed limit or determine another speed limit for the road concerned; from any other provision of the Act or from any by-law;levy fees for defraying the expenses incurred by the Provincial Administration or local authority concerned in connection with the race or sport. (4) Any consent granted in terms of subregulation (2) may be withdrawn at any time.And that ladies and gents we pay so much money to partake in road races. It is the law, or "Highway robbery".
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