the helmet thing again

[Tumbleweed]

porky, every time i sell a helmet to a newbie, i tell them that they pay more money for less material, and sanzzy little bits of carbon. they'd do as well to buy the R300-R400 lid as they would the R2000 one.

[Tumbleweed]

some states in america dont enforce motorbike helmets. do these states have higher motor cycle deaths than states where it is enforced?

 

would be interesting to see. i did come across a story late last year about the dramatic decrease in the fatality rate since they legislated to enforce mandatory helmet-wearing in vietnam. 

[fandacious]

some states in america dont enforce motorbike helmets. do these states have higher motor cycle deaths than states where it is enforced?

 

would be interesting to see. i did come across a story late last year about the dramatic decrease in the fatality rate since they legislated to enforce mandatory helmet-wearing in vietnam. 

 

interesting. in all the states where adults have been exempted from wearing helmets, there has been up to a 50% increase in motor cycle registrations.

 

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1448295

 

"The estimates indicate that the change in Florida?s helmet law increased motorcycle rider deaths. The impact on all motorcycle rider deaths is strongest, 48.6%. Controlling for travel miles reduces the estimate to 38.2%, and correcting for the motorcycle registration trend reduces the estimate to only 21.3%. Restricting the analysis to adults reduces the previous estimates only slightly."

 

i would be interested to know how many of those deaths werent actually wearing helmets...

[DeltaOscar]

I once read an article on helmet law in USA which stated that there was a significant decrease in road fatalities in states where helmets were law.

More intrestingly they interviewed a neurosurgeon who worked in an ER who said that in a year, of all traumatic head injuries, those suffered by cyclists outnumbered all the rest put together. 

I used to race cars and was sponsored by Bell at one time, and Arai at another. I visited both factories and the technology which goes into it is amazing, youi definately do get what you pay for.

 

It was interesting to see that it is the inner, or foam which absorbs most of the impact, and does most of the protecting. The ability of the inner to do it's job can be severly compromised by relatively minor impacts which will not damage the shell.

 

I was shown a demonstration where a full face race helmet was dropped from hip height on to a concrete floor, no visible damage to the shell.

It was then put into a destructive impact tester where it failed its minimum impact test.

 

A crashed or damaged helmet is useless.

[porky]

some states in america dont enforce motorbike helmets. do these states have higher motor cycle deaths than states where it is enforced?

 

The stats were in the article, its a few years old, 2006 I think, but the stats were there.

 

I cant remember them exactly, I will check tonight if I remember, but I think the stats clearly showed lives were saved by helmet wearing motor cyclists - I dont have stats on cyclists.

 

Oddly enough, many deaths were also caused by neck injuries and now its also quite common to see motorcyclists in the States wearing a specific neck protector, according to the article, these were primarily designed for enduro cyclists, but have found a huge market in the normal average motorcyclist as well.

 

Dont know if anyone wears them here, I have never seen them.!

 

porky2009-01-06 03:38:33

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Oddly enough' date=' many deaths were also caused by neck injuries and

now its also quite common to see motorcyclists in the States wearing a

specific neck protector, according to the article, these were primarily

designed for enduro cyclists, but have found a huge market in the

normal average motorcyclist as well.

 

Dont know if anyone wears them here, I have never seen them.!

 

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Almost all racers wear the Leatt type neck brace, its the same sort of concept as the HANS device the race car drivers use.... no-one uses them on the road though...

TNT12009-01-06 03:41:21

[porky]

porky' date=' every time i sell a helmet to a newbie, i tell them that they pay more money for less material, and sanzzy little bits of carbon. they'd do as well to buy the R300-R400 lid as they would the R2000 one.

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I concur HR. Personally I think a lot of the cost of top of the range cycle helmets is in the HYPE and manufacturers advertising, I have never seen a cycle helmet been manufactured, but the outer shell appears to be mainly for abrasion protection and the inner shock absorbing material is what saves lives.

 

So why pay for a fancy kevlar outer when all its doing is adding an abrasion protection to a helmet you should throw away anyway if you crash with it.

 

I may be wrong, I am not an expert, its just my understanding of the manufacturing.

  

[porky]

 

Almost all racers wear the Leatt type neck brace' date=' its the same sort of concept as the HANS device the race car drivers use.... no-one uses them on the road though...
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I wonder why not, surely its adding an extra level of protection, especially on long rides?

[TNT1]

 

 

 

Almost all racers wear the Leatt type neck brace' date=' its the same sort of concept as the HANS device the race car drivers use.... no-one uses them on the road though...

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I wonder why not, surely its adding an extra level of protection, especially on long rides?

 

Ya, dunno... I'd try it on my commute, but at the cost of the thing, not right now...

 

[Tumbleweed]

porky' date=' every time i sell a helmet to a newbie, i tell them that they pay more money for less material, and sanzzy little bits of carbon. they'd do as well to buy the R300-R400 lid as they would the R2000 one.

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I concur HR. Personally I think a lot of the cost of top of the range cycle helmets is in the HYPE and manufacturers advertising, I have never seen a cycle helmet been manufactured, but the outer shell appears to be mainly for abrasion protection and the inner shock absorbing material is what saves lives.

 

So why pay for a fancy kevlar outer when all its doing is adding an abrasion protection to a helmet you should throw away anyway if you crash with it.

 

I may be wrong, I am not an expert, its just my understanding of the manufacturing.

  

 

i am lucky that i didn't have to pay for the met stradivarius that i own. i also own a bottom-of-the-range giro skyline. i wear both. once it's on i forget about that it's there. no noticeable difference.

 

ps, when i look at the met, i'm can't decide if it's a gaudi-like piece of art or an failed proposed design for an alien movie

[porky]

 

Almost all racers wear the Leatt type neck brace' date=' its the same sort of concept as the HANS device the race car drivers use.... no-one uses them on the road though...
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I wonder why not, surely its adding an extra level of protection, especially on long rides?

Ya, dunno... I'd try it on my commute, but at the cost of the thing, not right now...

 

I also scoot around on my Kawasaki every now and then, but I have never seen this thing, I may be interested, are they sold here and what sort of cost, do you know.?

 

One of the reasons I read the article was because I was looking for a new helmet, strangely enough the manufacturer of the helmet I fancied, didnt rate too highly although here they are very popular, (or so I hear).

 

[TNT1]

The Leatt brace is the best, actually developed by a South African doctor...

Looks like 420USD...http://www.leatt-brace.com/index.php?page_id=12&id=12

 

[porky]

Not too bad, Ill look. Thanks.

[TitusTi]

There was a study done in Canada that proved that since the enforcing of the helmet law the accidents and fatalities in cyclists increased, dramatically too. I just had a look for it now in my mail box but I've deleted it.

[TiBones]

I s'pose helmets are a bit like bikinis - the less material, (lighter) the more they cost. The more gaps in the material, (cooler) the more they cost.

[SwissVan]

 

No helmet can stop your brain from hitting the inside of your scull, a frequent result of sudden stoppage i.e. hitting the pavement or tree head first. The result of which can lead to brain damage, swelling and death.

 

Helmets however are very usefull in protecting your head from abrasive and light impact damage i.e. keeping the blood n oxygen inside and protecting the boney bits that protect our brain as your head slides along the ground.

 

There was a newspaper report here recently that ski / snow boarding helmet sales increased after a German politician was invloved in a collosion with another lady skier, resulting in the death of the lady and hosptilzation of the politcian who appernetly cannot recall the accident...

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,599190,00.html

 

A leading politician from German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union party was to be slowly brought out of an artificially induced coma on Friday following treatment for head injuries suffered during a ski accident.

 

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DPA

Thuringia Governor Dieter Althaus is in a coma after a serious skiing accident.

ter Althaus, the 50-year-old governor of the eastern German state of Thuringia, collided with a 41-year-old Slovakian woman while skiing at the Riesneralm ski area in south-eastern Austria on Thursday. Both were immediately flown to the hospital by helicopter. The Slovakian woman, who lived in the US, died on the way.

 

Althaus was placed in an artificially induced coma due to a serious skull fracture sustained in the accident. His doctors said that he is out of danger. A hospital spokesman said on Friday that it was too early to know whether Althaus had suffered any long-term injuries.

Merkel spokesman Thomas Steg said the chancellor was "deeply moved and shocked" by the incident. Althaus is considered to be a close ally of Merkel's. He faces Thuringia state elections in August, just a month before German general elections.

The exact causes of the accident have yet to be determined. There were no witnesses and doctors say that Althaus is unlikely to be able to remember what happened once he awakes. He was reportedly wearing a helmet at the time of the accident while the Slovakian woman was not.

 

 

 

SwissVan2009-01-06 04:42:37