NotSoBigBen Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 the answer is 42 Ah' date=' was looking for that. [/quote'] Anytime Scotty-san! Many struggle with this issue ........
Sammajoor Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Funny thatBrandon only sent the email to FP after the issue came to light on the Hub.From my understanding this was not his view before it was discussed on the hub. Sorry to saythat Brandon (Probike) is not as honorable as he makes himself out to be. Lookat the email below that he send to another competitor after they did a price /spec comparison on numerous brands in the industry. I am aware of other similarthreats on numerous other suppliers. Talk about anti-competitive! From: Brandon Els [mailto:brandon@probike.co.za'] Sent: 03 November 2008 09:09 AM To: zoon@silverback.co.za Cc: 'Dave Wyatt' Subject: FW: Key Model Comparison 2009 V1 from Silverback Please askour permission before you send out info like this in future. Probike has thecapitalization and financial resources to wipe out your company today byselling every model you do below our cost and to import 5 times the volume youdo. Would you like me to do that? I canamend our pricing and issue the comparative charts and pricing today to alldealers. You are looking for attention from Probike that you really do notwant! To: Zoon Cronje Sent: Friday, October 31, 20085:42 PM Subject: Key Model Comparison2009 V1 from Silverback Hi everyone Please see theComparison Sheet with some Key Models indicated below. This is a handytool to compare spec in each of the price points on some entry level models: That is what I heard too...... methinks the lady protesteth too much....
STEEL Niner Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Unicycle, what does any of that have to do with Fritz and the topic??? Gotta love these forums where you can hide behind a nickname and post e-mails who were not even sent to you, unless you are actually Brandon, Dave or Zoon?!? I personally prefer to apply mud to my own face by actually riding in it and not posting BS about myself, but if thats how you roll.. enjoy!
peloton Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Unicycle - isn't this rather an example of actual, the-real-thing competitive behaviour?
scotty Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Cool i just started lunch now i have something to read
BendeBeer Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Re Unicycle's post: Isn't comparative advertising banned by the ASA? Maybe that's where the complaint by Probike should have be directed? Secondly, threatening a competitor with selling goods at below cost to wipe him out may amount to something like abuse of dominant market position - I sense there are some lawyers posting on this thread - Anyone like to clarify? If this email is authentic I'm sure the CC would like a copy. Clearly Unicycle is scared of retribution and that's why he is posting anonymous. From the wording of the email it sure looks like he has reason to be scared.
GoLefty!! Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Funny that Brandon only sent the email to FP after the issue came to light on the Hub. From my understanding this was not his view before it was discussed on the hub. Sorry to say that Brandon (Probike) is not as honorable as he makes himself out to be. Look at the email below that he send to another competitor after they did a price / spec comparison on numerous brands in the industry. I am aware of other similar threats on numerous other suppliers. Talk about anti-competitive!From: Brandon Els [mailto:brandon@probike.co.za'] Sent: 03 November 2008 09:09 AMTo: zoon@silverback.co.zaCc: 'Dave Wyatt'Subject: FW: Key Model Comparison 2009 V1 from SilverbackPlease ask our permission before you send out info like this in future. Probike has the capitalization and financial resources to wipe out your company today by selling every model you do below our cost and to import 5 times the volume you do. Would you like me to do that?I can amend our pricing and issue the comparative charts and pricing today to all dealers. You are looking for attention from Probike that you really do not want!To: Zoon Cronje Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:42 PMSubject: Key Model Comparison 2009 V1 from SilverbackHi everyonePlease see the Comparison Sheet with some Key Models indicated below. This is a handy tool to compare spec in each of the price points on some entry level models: Ok hold on here, we're not talking about the same thing. Without the information present in the email that Brandon are Zoon are refering too it's difficult to understand the conversation. To me it looks like one company did a comparison chart against a competitor but did not represent that competitors product spec correctly and then distributed this comparison chart to retailers when both companies COMPETE in the same market. That could be viewed as false advertising which is not exactly legal either... this seems to be a big compnay flexing it's muscle and threatening to start a price war (which would be nice for consumers) in order to make his competitor hurt (thats competition..) Perhaps not a very nice thing to say but it's certainly not Anti-Competitive as it's one distributor facing off against another. the consumer wins. Brandon may as well have said, "Zoon, I don't like you, you smell bad, I'm buying your company." lastly, I don't think Brandon made himself out to be honourable by posting his companies stance on the alledged price fixing fiasco. He merely made a position statement. that has little to do with integrity, and a lot to do with Probikes stand on competition amongst it's retailers.
BendeBeer Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 ? ? Ok hold on here, we're not talking about the same thing. ? Without the information present in the email that Brandon are Zoon are refering too it's difficult to understand the conversation. ? To me it looks like one company did a comparison chart against a competitor but did not represent that competitors product spec correctly and then distributed this comparison chart to retailers when both companies COMPETE in the same market. That could be viewed as false advertising which is not exactly legal either... ? this seems to be a big compnay flexing it's muscle and threatening to start a price war (which would be nice for consumers) in order to make his competitor hurt (thats competition..) ? Perhaps not?a very?nice thing to say?but it's certainly not Anti-Competitive as it's one distributor facing off against another. the consumer wins. ? Brandon may as well have said, "Zoon, I don't like you, you smell bad, I'm buying your company." ? ? lastly, I don't think Brandon made himself out to be honourable by posting his companies stance on the alledged price fixing fiasco. He merely made a position statement. that has little to do with integrity, and a lot to do with Probikes stand on competition amongst it's retailers. Thanks GoLefty - I suppose the anti-competitive behavior in a price war would be where you intend selling below cost to wipe out a competitor and thereafter raise prices to higher than it was before?
GoLefty!! Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 thats not anti competitive because the competition still has the CHOICE not to lower their prices in response. it could be seen as abuse of a dominant position. Or if Brandon goes to his retailers and tells them not to stock Silverback. that would be anti competitive. A price war is not really anti competitive as long as you are not a dominant market position. I have not market share data so don't know the answer to that
fatcyclist Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Oertel, last warning about posting nudes.. FatMod
Sammajoor Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 Oertel' date=' last warning about posting nudes.. FatMod[/quote'] Thanks Fats.... was demeaning to the female form.... and a woman is not cheap..
fatcyclist Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 I try my best to be the d*ck everyone makes us Mods out to be
Tumbleweed Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 I try my best to be the d*ck everyone makes us Mods out to be you're doing a fine job
fatcyclist Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 I try my best to be the d*ck everyone makes us Mods out to be you're doing a fine job I see Admin pm'ing me in my near future about 'abuse of members'...(again)
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