My favourite rant...... verrrry expensive bikes!!!

[parabola]

The value of what you buy is not determined by what constitutes that thing, but by how much some idiot is willing to pay for it.

[AndreZA]

I also believe that cyclist are being exploited due to there obsession with the sport.....what makes completely zero sense for me is how the most expensive road bike cost almost double than the most expensive mtb????I mean:? Shocks' date=' disc breaks.........?

 

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So you have not seen the R110 000 Merida yet?

 

 

 

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[parabola]

 

I also believe that cyclist are being exploited due to there obsession with the sport.....what makes completely zero sense for me is how the most expensive road bike cost almost double than the most expensive mtb????I mean:  Shocks' date=' disc breaks......... 

 

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So you have not seen the R110 000 Merida yet?

 

 

 

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You mean the carbon 96?

I think that 5.5kg Cerevelo at the Argus expo was worth over 200K, although I could be mistaken ...

 

[bustthesickness]

 

The value of what you buy is not determined by what constitutes that thing' date=' but by how much some idiot is willing to pay for it.

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exactly. these bikes are mass produced in China.the components are mass produced. it costs the same to ship them as it does to ship fruit and the greengrocer at the mall pays the same overhead for his shop as the bike store.

 

[mudda]

There is a marketing term called "price leader"

i.e. something is sold above at which it is worth, but what the market is prepared to pay.

 

In essence since people are buying at that price - the price can remain that high.

 

There may be much better value out there, but the marketing/hype/advertising has lead people to believe that they must pay that much.

 

It does not only happen with bicycles.

[Guest Big H]

There is a marketing term called "price leader"

i.e. something is sold above at which it is worth' date=' but what the market is prepared to pay.

 

In essence since people are buying at that price - the price can remain that high.

 

There may be much better value out there, but the marketing/hype/advertising has lead people to believe that they must pay that much.

 

It does not only happen with bicycles.

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De Beers comes to mind??????

[29pgc10]

I've got no problem in people spending 100k on a bike. What puzzles me is how someone can justify spending that amount of money to save a kilo or 2' date=' but then climb on it looking like you're 9 months pregnant. With triplets.

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I need to loose some 10kg to use my AX Lighthness bits (they limit the rider at 80kg). But after I give birth to the triplets I will be right there!

Good that the THM does not post weight limits, I would be crankless!

29pgc102009-03-23 07:02:25

[Canaris]

I am very interested in this thread for a number of reasons.  Firstly, there are a number of candidates to become members of the Rhema (material wealth and social influence is good) bible church.  Just because I don't earn R1mil a year does not mean I am jealous for the guy who does. Just because he/she is rich overworked stressed out and arrogant, who needs material possessions to justify his short miserable existence, it does not mean that will work for everyone. 

 

Secondly, I tend to agreed with BigH (horror) that it is extravegant to spend such a lot on a mere bicycle.  I know it is not my place to tell the SUPER rich how to spend their money, but the point is there are some not so rich that are making debt to buy bicycles that they cannot afford and don't need.  (they use the excuse "but is not like R120 000  like that bike).

 

Thirdly, as a person with a bit of a social responsibility, I nthink it is almost criminal that there are people that are willing to justify spending R100 000 on a luxury item when there are people in RSA starving.  Go sit at design quarter (Cyclelab) on any afternoon and watch the Kueguls drinking coffee while their impoverished labourers battle their way home to dipsloot in the afternoon.  Then ponder about why there is so much crime and violence in RSA.  THe bigger the class gap, hte bigger the revolutionary potential.

 

lastly, before you slam me with, "but we worked for it", ask yourself "was I ethical in my behaviour?"  or did I cheat a bit?  did I fix a price, do a deal?  Have I paid my tax?  The missing chapter in every success story, is where ethical behaviour was shelfed for a while.  Sir Jeffery Archer even taped the pages together.  Mark Thatcher is silent on some import export work he did.  LA is the only cyclist that never doped.  Zuma owes nobody at the moment. 

[Jules]

I am very interested in this thread for a number of reasons.? Firstly' date=' there are a number of candidates to become members of the Rhema (material wealth and social influence is good) bible church.? Just because I don't earn R1mil a year does not mean I am jealous for the guy who does.?Just because he/she is rich overworked stressed out and arrogant, who needs material possessions to justify his short miserable existence, it does not mean that will work for everyone.?

 

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Secondly, I tend to agreed with BigH (horror) that it is?extravegant to spend such a lot on a mere bicycle.? I know it is not my place to tell the SUPER rich?how to spend their?money, but the point is there are some not so rich that are making debt to?buy bicycles that they cannot afford and don't need.? (they use the excuse "but is not like R120 000? like that bike).

 

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Thirdly, as a person with a bit of a social responsibility, I nthink it is almost criminal that there are people that are willing to justify spending R100 000 on a luxury item when there are people in RSA starving.? Go sit at design quarter (Cyclelab) on any afternoon and watch the Kueguls drinking coffee while their impoverished labourers battle their way home to dipsloot in the afternoon.? Then ponder about why there is so much crime and violence in RSA.? THe bigger the class gap, hte bigger the revolutionary potential.

 

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lastly, before you slam me with, "but we worked for it", ask yourself "was I ethical in my behaviour?"? or did I cheat a bit?? did I fix a price, do a deal?? Have I paid my tax?? The missing chapter in every success story, is where ethical behaviour was shelfed for a while.? Sir Jeffery Archer even taped the pages together.? Mark Thatcher is silent on some import export work he did.? LA is the only cyclist that never doped.? Zuma owes nobody at the moment.?

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I agree with your sentiments. But if you compare bikes to cars, they are a drop in the proverbial ocean.

 

 

 

Think how many Cayennes, Range Rovers etc you see on the roads. Then think of the servicing costs, the tyres (as much as an "extravagant" road bike), the petrol, the pollution, the waste of fossil fuels etc.

 

 

 

Bikes pale in comparison... Jules2009-03-23 07:19:55

[gummibear]

Here is the most expensive bike you can buy and it weighs a ton.Now thats a waste of money.It wil cost over R1 Million.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8H0ken3wwtE/SbFTqaFnbbI/AAAAAAAAPAM/ZkH3p-4w4PU/s320/1.jpeg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8H0ken3wwtE/SbFTK7S_N0I/AAAAAAAAO_k/JMOlFzsB3Z8/s320/6.jpeg

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8H0ken3wwtE/SbFTo20Rp2I/AAAAAAAAO_0/ped3jVaxFIo/s320/4.jpeg

[wpdeb]

I am very interested in this thread for a number of reasons.  Firstly' date=' there are a number of candidates to become members of the Rhema (material wealth and social influence is good) bible church.  Just because I don't earn R1mil a year does not mean I am jealous for the guy who does. Just because he/she is rich overworked stressed out and arrogant, who needs material possessions to justify his short miserable existence, it does not mean that will work for everyone. 

 

Secondly, I tend to agreed with BigH (horror) that it is extravegant to spend such a lot on a mere bicycle.  I know it is not my place to tell the SUPER rich how to spend their money, but the point is there are some not so rich that are making debt to buy bicycles that they cannot afford and don't need.  (they use the excuse "but is not like R120 000  like that bike).

 

Thirdly, as a person with a bit of a social responsibility, I nthink it is almost criminal that there are people that are willing to justify spending R100 000 on a luxury item when there are people in RSA starving.  Go sit at design quarter (Cyclelab) on any afternoon and watch the Kueguls drinking coffee while their impoverished labourers battle their way home to dipsloot in the afternoon.  Then ponder about why there is so much crime and violence in RSA.  THe bigger the class gap, hte bigger the revolutionary potential.

 

lastly, before you slam me with, "but we worked for it", ask yourself "was I ethical in my behaviour?"  or did I cheat a bit?  did I fix a price, do a deal?  Have I paid my tax?  The missing chapter in every success story, is where ethical behaviour was shelfed for a while.  Sir Jeffery Archer even taped the pages together.  Mark Thatcher is silent on some import export work he did.  LA is the only cyclist that never doped.  Zuma owes nobody at the moment. 

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Why do we feel the need to even discuss what other people are doing with their money?

If somebody feels that he can afford [or even if he cannot] a bike of R100 000, it is got nothing to do with other people.

You can use the same argument for people buying BMW's, Merc's etc while a Toyota or VW will do exactly the same but at half the price.

And I must disagree somewhat with the social responsibility argument - I work up to 16 hours a day and pay 40% tax which is supposed to be used for social upliftment, schooling, medical care - what more are we supposed to do.

I therefore have no problems spending as much money on a bike that I feel is justified.

 

[MintSauce]

to each his own

[jagwil]

WELL SAID !!wpdeb.

My sentiments exactly

It is MY money. I have worked BLOODY hard for it and I WILL spend it how I wish.

I actually don't give a rats ass what anyone else thinks about the BMW"s in my garage or the  expensive bikes I have in my storeroom.

 

Oh and by the way all the bikes and both cars and my home have been piad for in cash. And yes I am up to date with my taxes, have never been involved in price fixing or cheating. I believe that I have ALWAYS been ethical and have never "cheated a bit." 

 

So the bottom line is that I will spend MY money exactly how I please and if it pleases me to buy a new MARIN MOUNT VISION 5.9 for R 65000 I will do so and to hell with those who whine that they can't afford it . TOUGH sh*t That is your problem not mine..

[Kranswurm]

I am very interested in this thread for a number of reasons.  Firstly' date=' there are a number of candidates to become members of the Rhema (material wealth and social influence is good) bible church.  Just because I don't earn R1mil a year does not mean I am jealous for the guy who does. Just because he/she is rich overworked stressed out and arrogant, who needs material possessions to justify his short miserable existence, it does not mean that will work for everyone. 

 

Secondly, I tend to agreed with BigH (horror) that it is extravegant to spend such a lot on a mere bicycle.  I know it is not my place to tell the SUPER rich how to spend their money, but the point is there are some not so rich that are making debt to buy bicycles that they cannot afford and don't need.  (they use the excuse "but is not like R120 000  like that bike).

 

Thirdly, as a person with a bit of a social responsibility, I nthink it is almost criminal that there are people that are willing to justify spending R100 000 on a luxury item when there are people in RSA starving.  Go sit at design quarter (Cyclelab) on any afternoon and watch the Kueguls drinking coffee while their impoverished labourers battle their way home to dipsloot in the afternoon.  Then ponder about why there is so much crime and violence in RSA.  THe bigger the class gap, hte bigger the revolutionary potential.

 

lastly, before you slam me with, "but we worked for it", ask yourself "was I ethical in my behaviour?"  or did I cheat a bit?  did I fix a price, do a deal?  Have I paid my tax?  The missing chapter in every success story, is where ethical behaviour was shelfed for a while.  Sir Jeffery Archer even taped the pages together.  Mark Thatcher is silent on some import export work he did.  LA is the only cyclist that never doped.  Zuma owes nobody at the moment. 

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Go and bleeding heart somewhere else.

I like my 50K mtb and whats more I plan to get a 50k road bike when I have the bucks.

After that if I can afford it I would like to buy that Aprillia road machine that i have been lusting over.Cars....I am happy with a Toyota d/cab.I take it in to the Kalahari bush regularly and scratch the sh*t out of it.I would not even make it to the entrance gate in a piddling 40k bakkie bought on some auction.

What a nerve!!!

Kranswurm2009-03-23 09:02:08

[Spinnekop]

Don't get yourself worked up over Konafan.  He likes reaction.....

 

He knows just as well as everyone here that each person does what he wants.....

 

You want social uplifting?  Fire all the army guys and use the so called "defense" money to give to the  hungry.  We don't need guns and tanks....

Spinnekop2009-03-23 09:02:06

[jagwil]

Maybe I will now get some sort of reaction out of Konafan with my next post.