IS THIS CHEATING??

[Andyr249]

Yes, you are racing for first in the bunch. But if you are not then you should start in a lower bunch and refrain from doing anything that could effect the people who are there to race.

[Canaris]

Yes' date=' you are racing for first in the bunch. But if you are not then you should start in a lower bunch and refrain from doing anything that could effect the people who are there to race.[/quote']

 

 

[AndreZA]

Yes' date=' you are racing for first in the bunch. But if you are not then you should start in a lower bunch and refrain from doing anything that could effect the people who are there to race.[/quote']

 

 

 

The cyclosport bunches are not there for racing in teams. That is what the elites and vets groups are for.

[Trubie]

The cyclosport bunches are not there for racing in teams. That is what the elites and vets groups are for.

 

Now why do the clubs then have racing teams in the A bunch?

 

 

 

[AuctionLamb]

I usually these small things in life does not bother me much....I am just glad that I am able to ride my bike because there is people out there that would give a lot just to ride a bike.

[AndreZA]

Now why do the clubs then have racing teams in the A bunch?

 

 

 

because the clubs made it up. They've got 200 members but none of them are good enough for elite/vets so they have to be put somewhere.

[Barend de Arend]

 

 

Now why do the clubs then have racing teams in the A bunch?

 

Well, one or more of

1. There is prize money (unconfirmed)
2. There is sponsorship (not a lot, but hey)
3. SA really needs categorised racing.

[Andyr249]

The cyclosport bunches are not there for racing in teams. That is what the elites and vets groups are for.

 

Now why do the clubs then have racing teams in the A bunch?

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe to just ride for fun. The top bunches are there for normal people to race. The lower bunches are there for normal people to have fun. You don't put in hours and hours of training just to have fun and not care about your time, seeding etc. You race to do as well as you possibly can. If you want to get from A to B on the highway at 120kph+ in the fast lane that is fine. But you will get irritated if a truck is in the fast lane or some person is driving at 80kph in the fast lane. They are interfering with you travelling. Same with people who enter the long race and do the shorter distance. By doing so they are interfering with the timing etc of the longer race which will also interfer with other issues such as seeding or prize money etc. Which will also upset you just like on the highway.

[Barend de Arend]

 

The reason most races don't use an intermediate timing mat is the cost involved. It can be as high as R35000 for one extra mat.

 

 

Then maybe don't organise a race.

 

Or don't organise a short and long distance event at the same time.  The short distance event is only there to get more entries, hence more money.  The cost of getting that extra cash is an extra timing mat.

 

 

[Trubie]

Now why do the clubs then have racing teams in the A bunch?

Well' date=' one or more of

There is prize money (unconfirmed)

There is sponsorship (not a lot, but hey)

SA really needs categorised racing.
[/quote']

 

I agree, can't understand the Mampara statement then.

[Capri Wheeler]

they do that in some races. Have a timing mat along the route somewhere to see if they cross that in the long route

Guess it aint cool when you have people with rediculously low seeding indexes

 

 

 

 

 

[Andyr249]

Now why do the clubs then have racing teams in the A bunch?

because the clubs made it up. They've got 200 members but none of them are good enough for elite/vets so they have to be put somewhere.

 

Maybe some of them simply take their riding seriously but also have normal jobs, families etc which don't allow them to do the same training per day as an elite would.

[Canaris]

Now why do the clubs then have racing teams in the A bunch?

because the clubs made it up. They've got 200 members but none of them are good enough for elite/vets so they have to be put somewhere.

 

Maybe some of them simply take their riding seriously but also have normal jobs' date=' families etc which don't allow them to do the same training per day as an elite would.

[/quote']

serious?

 

From complaining about race jumpers to the need to cycling to be accepted as a team sport.  This thread is going somewhere.

 

Maybe the provinces and CSA need to consider introducing a "cyclo-sport" team league, instead of a A and B bunch.  Start with team entries rather than individual entries.  You cannot enter the A bunch unless you are in a team of between 4-8 riders.  Team members must ride in the same kit. 

 

The advantages of this are great.  Firstly, "drop outs" from the bunch will be reduced.  Secondly clubs/teams will have control over who rides in the A and B bunch (instead of a covertly determined seeding).  Thirdly, peer pressure will keep riders involved throughout the year. ext ext ext ext

[Andyr249]

That would be a good suggestion KonaFan! It could provide normal people opportunities who want to race properly and who are also serious about their cycling but who also for whatever reason don't have the same training time etc as elites. It would draw more people to become members of clubs which will have advantages for both the rider and the club. More people may then do club rides which would make cycling safer as a whole.

[manbearpig]

My mate "94" did that at the Magalies monster last year but i forgave him cos he got sand in his vagina going up the first climb.

[Stretch]

what happened on Sunday was not the norm - anyone who opted for the shorter route and did not tell anyone is an idiot. I "downgraded" myself and told the guys at the end. I am not really phased if I get a result or not. Also remember that seeding is average of top 3 so If someone "cheats" by not telling anyone - the benefit will be marginal (as long as they have done more than one race).

 

 

 

Perhaps it would be beneficial to flag seedings that are outside of certain percentage of that person's norm - i.e if the seeding from x race is 20% better than that person normally gets, then eliminate it. If they are genuinely working at improving their seeding, you would see a gradual increase