Race4(peanuts)victory

[Eldron]

Ah the prize money issue again. This will never end.

 

Some one will bring up Wimbledon (5 sets for men - 3 sets for women yet equal prize money).

 

Someone else will bring up testosterone.

 

A few people will throw in a faux sexist comment.

 

It will never end!

 

Do away with mens and women's prize money and just have overall prize money. Oh wait - that fits into the fauz sexist comment.

 

Oh double wait - I'm a sub vet so overall prize money would be ageist too...

[AndreZA]

How many cyclist actually see the pros finish a race?

 

?

 

How many cyclists actually care?

 

 

 

have a look here on a Monday morning and you will see there are 1 or 2 that do. The rest bitch and moan about the marshalls and water points.

[DRIVETRAIN]

Do the "PRO'S" here in SA ever do proper stage races - One day races like they have in Europe etc????

 

U know like the Classics - racing 280km's

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I've never seen it done - are all their races the local one's at say 100km distance at most ???

 

"DT"

[hagar]

Me thinks if money is your motivation to race harder then you need to get another job.

neee man jy val nou uit die bus uit !!!

 

i would say that the ladies race hard too but its not fair to have such a big diffrence in payout !!! no one was talking about the effort of racing i was talking about the payout . You will not get any pro women  teams racing from CT in that race for that amount of money its peanuts !!!! R2000 is not money when you look at the equipment and what it costs to maintain your bike asseblief !!!!

 

And by the way i love my job it pays well too

[Austin]

This is not as clear cut an issue as it first appears.

 

Take for example the Rebel TT series.  Same prize money for men and woman' date=' and big prize money too, several grand.  Three ladies bothered to pitch up (and not a single elite), so the organiser got a few hundred rand in entries, and forked out several thousands in prize money.

 

Same thing happened at Worlds View last year.  The total entries from the ladies was about 1 tenth of the prize money's handed out.

[/quote']

 

Bruce, in your one post you have summed up exactly how wrong the system is- Organisers shouldnt be playing prize money off against entries. Organisers have become very lazy. Adverts about the race are everywhere to be seen, yet post race reults, nowhere.

 

Most International organisers sell their race by advertising their spectators and followers( newspaper, TV, etc) and get the sponsorship from this. In RSA they sell it by saying how many will enter.

 

They need to stop being lazy about it- secure media deal( sell your event as one being wathced by 250 000 instead of being participated by 2000.)

Then you entitled to your cut of the sponsorship fees and not charge too much for entries.

Make the racing part on a circuit- less road costs, less officials.

Make the funride part open participation( unless on same circuit) where road rules to be obeyed, etc. Cost come down too.

etc

etc

 

It comes down to this- The way events are organised mirrors that of social event organisation, not sporting spectacle.... the majority of a typical so-called RSA race is a social event, not sporting....

 

 

[Dirt*girl™]

...so tell us what race this is hagar. pretty please.

[bored girl]

I would like to know how many people will actually be there to see the winners receive their prize money....

 

 

 

A bit off topic but prize giving "ceremonies" are just patheticly attended. If sponsors want the exposure, maybe someone should move their @sses faster and do what needs to be done so as many people can attend as possible. Obviously I am not involved so there might be some big secret to prize awarding which is escaping me....it might be more than this one came 1st, this one 2nd and this one 3rd....really...do tell...bored girl2009-09-29 04:13:25

[Dirt*girl™]

This is not as clear cut an issue as it first appears.

 

Take for example the Rebel TT series.  Same prize money for men and woman' date=' and big prize money too, several grand.  Three ladies bothered to pitch up (and not a single elite), so the organiser got a few hundred rand in entries, and forked out several thousands in prize money.

 

Same thing happened at Worlds View last year.  The total entries from the ladies was about 1 tenth of the prize money's handed out.

[/quote']

 

Bruce, in your one post you have summed up exactly how wrong the system is- Organisers shouldnt be playing prize money off against entries. Organisers have become very lazy. Adverts about the race are everywhere to be seen, yet post race reults, nowhere.

 

Most International organisers sell their race by advertising their spectators and followers( newspaper, TV, etc) and get the sponsorship from this. In RSA they sell it by saying how many will enter.

 

They need to stop being lazy about it- secure media deal( sell your event as one being wathced by 250 000 instead of being participated by 2000.)

Then you entitled to your cut of the sponsorship fees and not charge too much for entries.

Make the racing part on a circuit- less road costs, less officials.

Make the funride part open participation( unless on same circuit) where road rules to be obeyed, etc. Cost come down too.

etc

etc

 

It comes down to this- The way events are organised mirrors that of social event organisation, not sporting spectacle.... the majority of a typical so-called RSA race is a social event, not sporting....

 

 

 

I dont like that you place all organisers in one category.

[Spinnekop]

Pro rider's (they get a salary and make up a small % of the riders) 

 

1st R1000 plus a big trophy

2nd R500 plus a medium trophy

3rd R200 plus a small trophy

 

Open cat (make up most of riders)

 

1st   R10 000

2nd  R5000

3rd   R2500

4th   R1000

5th   R500

6th - 20th (entry fee refunded)

 

Then no one license and everyone rides Open. 

 

Brings us back to the seeding of ability and not if you license or not.......

Al-innie-rondte........

 

Division A - Top 200 cyclists

Division B - 201-400

Division C - 401-600

etc. etc. etc.

 

You want prize money?.....work your way up to Div A and race for a win....

 

For that to work, you have to have a TRUE national seeding ladder that WORKS and gets UPDATED by a CENTRAL BODY - CSA?.

 

You can then hold tours and races based on Divisions....you don't want the "pros"......then do a race for Division B and C.....prize money etc.

 

 

[bored girl]

 

 

Do the "PRO'S" here in SA ever do proper stage races - One day races like they have in Europe etc????

 

?

 

U know like the Classics - racing 280km's

 

?

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I've never seen it done - are all their races the local one's at say 100km distance at most ???

 

?

 

"DT"

 

 

 

Well no...who's gonna sponsor those? If you think about it a big chunk of money comes from the weekend warriors like all of us on the hub. I asked similar question the other day....if 100km are not enough to toughen the boys why don't they ride 250km races during the week in some remote place with mountains of hell...like somewhere in Mpumalanga for instance. Same thing....it will cost too much bloody money...

[Austin]

Bored Girl- Prize ceremonies in most countries happen right next to the line, just after the race, where the spectators are. Most races have a very active post race media campaign to not just advertise before, but the results too. That is the real incentive for sponsors.

[Owen]

Hmmmmmmm.......

 

Some good comments boys. I agree with most them. Yes you might think it's a bit strange coming from a Ladies Team owner. There are simply not enough teams, who can give riders a chance. It is very difficult to win races without a team. Therefore many rider lose interest and give up.

 

We need clubs to form small 5 rider teams. There are some good riders, who just need that extra motivation. Organisors should rather pay down to, say 15th place. Even if it's R50.00. There is nothing like standing on the podium along side riders like Cherise, Anriette or Merissa. Or for guys, Nic, Daryl or Mel. This will improve the racing and make it worth while for Event Organisors to put up the money. 

 

So i say, reduce the winners payout, but pay more places.

[Austin]

Sorry Dirt Girl..you are right..meant most organisers in RSA

[Eldron]

Me thinks if money is your motivation to race harder then you need to get another job.

neee man jy val nou uit die bus uit !!!

 

i would say that the ladies race hard too but its not fair to have such a big diffrence in payout !!! no one was talking about the effort of racing i was talking about the payout . You will not get any pro women  teams racing from CT in that race for that amount of money its peanuts !!!! R2000 is not money when you look at the equipment and what it costs to maintain your bike asseblief !!!!

 

And by the way i love my job it pays well too

 

How much is the vets and sub vets prize money? Vets racing is probably the most attented and hotly contested group in racing at the moment.

 

Ok the question was rhetorical...

[Austin]

Hmmmmmmm.......

 

Some good comments boys. I agree with most them. Yes you might think it's a bit strange coming from a Ladies Team owner. There are simply not enough teams' date=' who can give riders a chance. It is very difficult to win races without a team. Therefore many rider lose interest and give up.

 

We need clubs to form small 5 rider teams. There are some good riders, who just need that extra motivation. Organisors should rather pay down to, say 15th place. Even if it's R50.00. There is nothing like standing on the podium along side riders like Cherise, Anriette or Merissa. Or for guys, Nic, Daryl or Mel. This will improve the racing and make it worth while for Event Organisors to put up the money. 

 

So i say, reduce the winners payout, but pay more places.

[/quote']

 

One of the other things you are right about- force clubs to start working for their cyclists again and form teams, enter and race. Liek in any proper race- the front end is team netry only, form the smallest club to the biggest team start 5 riders only.  No need to cut the prize money as we are way behind road running there.

[bruce]

This is not as clear cut an issue as it first appears.

 

Take for example the Rebel TT series.  Same prize money for men and woman' date=' and big prize money too, several grand.  Three ladies bothered to pitch up (and not a single elite), so the organiser got a few hundred rand in entries, and forked out several thousands in prize money.

 

Same thing happened at Worlds View last year.  The total entries from the ladies was about 1 tenth of the prize money's handed out.

[/quote']

 

Bruce, in your one post you have summed up exactly how wrong the system is- Organisers shouldnt be playing prize money off against entries. Organisers have become very lazy. Adverts about the race are everywhere to be seen, yet post race reults, nowhere.

 

Most International organisers sell their race by advertising their spectators and followers( newspaper, TV, etc) and get the sponsorship from this. In RSA they sell it by saying how many will enter.

 

They need to stop being lazy about it- secure media deal( sell your event as one being wathced by 250 000 instead of being participated by 2000.)

Then you entitled to your cut of the sponsorship fees and not charge too much for entries.

Make the racing part on a circuit- less road costs, less officials.

Make the funride part open participation( unless on same circuit) where road rules to be obeyed, etc. Cost come down too.

etc

etc

 

It comes down to this- The way events are organised mirrors that of social event organisation, not sporting spectacle.... the majority of a typical so-called RSA race is a social event, not sporting....

 

 

Fair point, but the ladies also need to come to the party!