Anybody know this team "behaving badly"???????

[EZRider]

 

Please take this as my commitment to... leave me off.

I am not the least bit concerned about the image of cyclists in this country or any other like Angola.

More worried about the image of white people (some here make it easy to believe we are all racists), smokers (gasp! nuff sed!), motorists (which all of us are anyway), and facebook users... oh forgot, I don't need online friends to feel important.

TZmtb2009-10-22 02:36:45

[Guest Big H]

Big H you seem to love falling into a trap here. You always take pics where their is a solid line!

So:

1. If a motorist wants to pass a cyclist' date=' be it 1 cyclist or 10 cyclist, and by doing so with leaving enough room i.e. 1.5m (proposed legislation) between his car and the cyclist, he crosses the solid white line with 2 wheels of his car - the motorist is illegal! Not the cyclist or cyclists.

2. This road seems not that wide so even if it was just 1 cyclist I would think a legal motorist would have to slow down and wait till their is no solid white line to make a legal safe passing!

3. So even if they are riding 4 abreast, and the cyclist all on the left of the solid white line, should it matter? A legal safe motorist would sill have to wait regardless of it been 1 or 4 cyclists!

Maybe it time to find some areas where motorist are allowed to overtake if you looking to have a go at cyclist for riding 2 (proposed legislation that cyclist may ride legally 2 abreast - and not just when passing) or more abreast![/quote']

 

Do not comment on something you think you know something of....... a freeway lane is 3,7m wide...... tersiary roads are normally 3,5m wide but some are 3,0m wide. The cyslists are ones not abiding to the law. They refused to give way, drove gehind them and they ignored the hooting motorists behind them. If they went in single file mode and the road was 3,5m wide there would be ample space to pass.

 

I doubt if you would add your name to the cyclists behaving well list??????

[Guest Big H]

Please take this as my commitment to... leave me off.
I am not the least bit concerned about the image of cyclists in this country or any other like Angola.
More worried about the image of white people (some here make it easy to believe we are all racists)' date=' smokers (gasp! nuff sed!), motorists (which all of us are anyway), and facebook users... oh forgot, I don't need online friends to feel important.
[/quote']

 

Thanx for your honesty......

 

I do not live in Angola anymore, I live and cycle in the Cradle of Humankind now.

[Spinnekop]

Big H you seem to love falling into a trap here. You always take pics where their is a solid line!

So:

1. If a motorist wants to pass a cyclist' date=' be it 1 cyclist or 10 cyclist, and by doing so with leaving enough room i.e. 1.5m (proposed legislation) between his car and the cyclist, he crosses the solid white line with 2 wheels of his car - the motorist is illegal! Not the cyclist or cyclists.

2. This road seems not that wide so even if it was just 1 cyclist I would think a legal motorist would have to slow down and wait till their is no solid white line to make a legal safe passing!

3. So even if they are riding 4 abreast, and the cyclist all on the left of the solid white line, should it matter? A legal safe motorist would sill have to wait regardless of it been 1 or 4 cyclists!

Maybe it time to find some areas where motorist are allowed to overtake if you looking to have a go at cyclist for riding 2 (proposed legislation that cyclist may ride legally 2 abreast - and not just when passing) or more abreast![/quote']

 

 

[Icycling]

Big H a bike is almost .5 m wide - handlebars are already up 46cm! Plus 1.5m safe passing a cyclist takes up 2m of a road. I think it is safe to assume all cars are more than 1.5m in wide. So you work it out on a 3.5m wide road with a solid barrier line a motorist legally and safely cannot overtake a single cyclist.

 

 

 

Your post should be motorist behaving badly or motorist not showing any tolerance towards cyclist!

 

 

 

The strange thing about people behind a steering wheel is that for a cyclist it seems way to difficult to rotate that steering wheel and slowing down to allow for a safe overtaking. But these same motorist normally if they see a dog, cat or baboon wonder into a road are more than happy to slow down and pass with a lot of caution. Sometimes it really is a dogs life - because a cyclist you must be always aware that you a target!

[Guest Big H]

Big H a bike is almost .5 m wide - handlebars are already up 46cm! Plus 1.5m safe passing a cyclist takes up 2m of a road. I think it is safe to assume all cars are more than 1.5m in wide. So you work it out on a 3.5m wide road with a solid barrier line a motorist legally and safely cannot overtake a single cyclist.

Your post should be motorist behaving badly or motorist not showing any tolerance towards cyclist!

The strange thing about people behind a steering wheel is that for a cyclist it seems way to difficult to rotate that steering wheel and slowing down to allow for a safe overtaking. But these same motorist normally if they see a dog' date=' cat or baboon wonder into a road are more than happy to slow down and pass with a lot of caution. Sometimes it really is a dogs life - because a cyclist you must be always aware that you a target![/quote']

 

Icycling you are living and trying to canvass for a "perfect world"...... the one cyclist giving the motorist a middle finger destroys the credibility of the rest. I do not totally disagree with you but you CANNOT condone the actions of the cyslists in the photo I placed. If you do you are a fool.

[Guest coenie]

Big H a bike is almost .5 m wide - handlebars are already up 46cm! Plus 1.5m safe passing a cyclist takes up 2m of a road. I think it is safe to assume all cars are more than 1.5m in wide. So you work it out on a 3.5m wide road with a solid barrier line a motorist legally and safely cannot overtake a single cyclist.

 

 

 

Your post should be motorist behaving badly or motorist not showing any tolerance towards cyclist!

 

 

 

The strange thing about people behind a steering wheel is that for a cyclist it seems way to difficult to rotate that steering wheel and slowing down to allow for a safe overtaking. But these same motorist normally if they see a dog' date=' cat or baboon wonder into a road are more than happy to slow down and pass with a lot of caution. Sometimes it really is a dogs life - because a cyclist you must be always aware that you a target![/quote']

 

 

 

 

ps BIGH, practice what you preach and stop calling people names. If you want cyclist to respect motorist and rules, why don't you set and example and do the same with your posts....respect your fellow forum users as much as you want them to respect you and your viewpoints

[Robert Lofthouse]

 

ps BIGH' date=' practice what you preach and stop calling people names. If you want cyclist to respect motorist and rules, why don't you set and example and do the same with your posts....respect your fellow forum users as much as you want them to respect you and your viewpoints[/quote']

 

 

 

YES !!

 

 

 

Thank you Coenie!!

[Minion]

As iemand in die reen op die N1 wil oefen sonder `n helmet dan is dit sy eie issue

That's where you're wrong. If he gets taken out there are cost implications for more than just him alone:

 

1.) The motorist's car needs to be repaired. If paid by the insurance this cost will be recovered with higher premiums, both for the motorist and indirectly for other people with the same insurance company. The motorist also has to pay any excess.

 

2.) Any injured parties can claim from the RAF. This is paid for with increased levies on our fuel price.

 

3.) Injured parties can claim additional cover from their medical aid. This is recovered by increasing premiums for all medical aid members.

 

4.) The motorist may require trauma counselling. This will have similar cost implications as 3.).

 

5.) Were the accident to occur near peak time, the resulting traffic jams will lead to many lost manhours of productivity.

 

Whatever the combination of factors, an accident will result in significant costs and chances are good the the cyclists will not be the person paying most of them.

 

 

[Guest coenie]

As iemand in die reen op die N1 wil oefen sonder `n helmet dan is dit sy eie issue

That's where you're wrong. If he gets taken out there are cost implications for more than just him alone:1.) The motorist's car needs to be repaired. If paid by the insurance this cost will be recovered with higher premiums' date=' both for the motorist and indirectly for other people with the same insurance company. The motorist also has to pay any excess.2.) Any injured parties can claim from the RAF. This is paid for with increased levies on our fuel price.3.) Injured parties can claim additional cover from their medical aid. This is recovered by increasing premiums for all medical aid members.4.) The motorist may require trauma counselling. This will have similar cost implications as 3.).5.) Were the accident to occur near peak time, the resulting traffic jams will lead to many lost manhours of productivity.Whatever the combination of factors, an accident will result in significant costs and chances are good the the cyclists will not be the person paying most of them.

 

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True, but it also applies to old people driving badly, cars and trucks that are not roadworthy...etc.

 

 

 

So why do motorists worry SO much about what cyclist do when they open a gap for a taxis that is crossing a white line to push in, infront of them?

[Icycling]

My final note:

 

 

 

When the law is passed which is bound to be very soon - the 1.5m law - and a cyclist is hit on a solid line on a road narrower than 3.5m and the motorist is caught or even stops to apologize - yes that sometimes does happen. I hope a lot of publicity is brought to the new rules of the road when passing cyclist and the motorist get more than just a slap on the wrist!

[masterscycling]

Wow! Us 'South Africans' are not known for their tolerance on the roads whatever the means of transport and unless we practice tolerance and obey road rules this will always be an ongoing problem.  We also need to move away from the 'them,' and 'us,' scenario.  At the end of the day we all want to use the roads safely and enjoy the countryside.  Perhaps chilling out a bit more not taking ourselves so seriously, law enforcement agencies enforcing the rules fairly and consistently and guys please, know matter who is in the wrong........At the end of the day a road bicycle weighing around 8.5kg with an average rider of 85kg on it is no match for a 1 ton bakkie or taxi loaded with 400... passengers!!!!!  or a guy hanging out the window taking a picture of you a-breast.......!!!!!!

masterscycling2009-10-22 06:23:07

[Lills]

Geez! someone had bitch pie for breakfast

[Gasping]

Geez! someone had bitch pie for breakfast

 

.... and how was it?

[Guest Big H]

As iemand in die reen op die N1 wil oefen sonder `n helmet dan is dit sy eie issue

That's where you're wrong. If he gets taken out there are cost implications for more than just him alone:

1.) The motorist's car needs to be repaired. If paid by the insurance this cost will be recovered with higher premiums' date=' both for the motorist and indirectly for other people with the same insurance company. The motorist also has to pay any excess.

2.) Any injured parties can claim from the RAF. This is paid for with increased levies on our fuel price.

3.) Injured parties can claim additional cover from their medical aid. This is recovered by increasing premiums for all medical aid members.

4.) The motorist may require trauma counselling. This will have similar cost implications as 3.).

5.) Were the accident to occur near peak time, the resulting traffic jams will lead to many lost manhours of productivity.

Whatever the combination of factors, an accident will result in significant costs and chances are good the the cyclists will not be the person paying most of them.

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Added to the above if the said section of N1 is a FREEWAY the cyclists all risk, life and medical insurance will most likely not pay out as he was involved in an illegal activity. By law you may not cycle on a freeway.

[WRIGHTLIGHT]

I have no time for A#SEH#LES like this, they wonder why they get knocked over.....trust me, they don't own or rule the road