CSA Licences

[gatiep]

BBJ. Couple of Issues

 

 

 

1) If you take out a licence from CSA, Can you do it direct or do you need to first join a cycling club. Clubs apply for cycling licenses and not individuals (unless its a cyclo licence)

 

 

 

2) Every race must now been "approved" by CSA, making sure its running accordingly to UCI Rules.

 

 

 

3) Does this mean that if the regions keep on running league's (that?s the road races), they have to comply with the age categories? Meaning, you cannot now have only a Sub-Vets or Vets league, but it have to go the 30 - 35, 35 - 40, and 40 - 45, 45 -50 age groups.

 

 

 

4) Will the CSA comply to the UCI standards regarding how many medical personal, doctors, ambulances, admin people, that should be available depending on the entrants numbers

 

 

 

5) Will the CSA now force the different PPA's to be inline with each other on race entry fees (In cpt we pay +- R60 for a 100km race, in JHB I think its around R120 - R150 for a normal race)

 

 

 

6) Why is it that only the Elite teams have back-up vehicles in a race? Why not the sub-vet or vet teams?

 

 

 

 

 

maar miskien mis ek die bus hier.

 

 

 

 

[Canaris]

Gatiep for president.

 

 

 

When CSA has the capacity to police and enforce all the aspects of UCI regulations, then it can start talking about increasing the numbers of licenced riders.

[Hype]

Points seem to be raised about whether CSA can police certain aspects which arise from licensing riders, whether they will adhere to UCI standards, etc.

 

 

 

The average non-licensed rider will not be asking these questions. He/she will simply be asking, "what am I getting for my money ?"

 

 

 

So to Phoenix and Poison who think it's great I ask again, what is the benefit ? Why should a non-licensed rider sign up other than to fill the coffers of the CSA ?

[Poison Ivy]

Points seem to be raised about whether CSA can police certain aspects which arise from licensing riders' date=' whether they will adhere to UCI standards, etc.

The average non-licensed rider will not be asking these questions. He/she will simply be asking, "what am I getting for my money ?"

So to Phoenix and Poison who think it's great I ask again, what is the benefit ? Why should a non-licensed rider sign up other than to fill the coffers of the CSA ?[/quote']

 

This is how I think out side the box.  The more members CSA have the stronger it will be as governing body of cycling in SA.  And if you have a strong governing body, cycling will be strong.  Don't you agree that numbers = strengh? The same goes for clubs.  If all the masses out there join clubs, ultimately you will have strong clubs - putting back into cycling. That's how you move forward in cycling.  The mass-funriders out there have the ablility to make cycling a strong sport in this country. 

 

You ask what will YOU get, rather think what can you (as funrider) contribute....

 

 

[mountain_lion]

I consider myself to be a "fun rider" and normally finish middle of the pack at the organised events. I am 39 years old, so there is no way I will be winning any races anyway.

 

I mostly ride MTB, but every now and again I manage to convince myself to do a road ride, especially leading up to Argus tour (of which I have completed 10). If this license rule is to be enforced, it might just mean that my road riding (and Argus days are over).

 

I will need some serious convincing to take out a license or join a club (I am a member of PPA, although their membership fees have become steep).

If this means I cannot participate in fun rides anymore, then I won't.

I am quite capable of riding on my own. It might even be nicer to just go riding with a group of friends.

 

It will be a sad day in SA cycling if this rule is enforced.

I guess many "fun riders" feel this way.

 

 

[Floyd]

Sure, we need to move forward, but HOW? Unification of governing bodies in this country have only lead to disaster. Rugby, Athletics, Table Tennis, Netball,.. the list goes on of sports bodies ultimately fallen by the feet and having to play into the hands of the government.

 

CSA need to answer first to showing us their budget(what is it going to cost and what will they try to achieve with the funding) - giving in for the sake of hey it's a great idea and giving them carte blanche is total stupidity.

 

Sorry,we're the bank, we wanna see a businessplan first!!!

 

[The Saint]

The licensing saga continues. Stacks of valid points have already been raised in just 2 pages of thread.

 

It seems that CSA have implemented a "rule" without fully explaining why the rule will be implemented or the actual details of the ruling. This would just be typical of any South African sporting organization - the foot in mouth syndrome seems to extend across the board.

 

Ultimately these guys wanting our money must provide a "product or service".  If we as the consumer are not entirely sure as to what this product or service is then why should we pay our hard earned rands to some people simply because they are an organization claiming to run cycling in South Africa.

 

So this is where the fun rider bit comes into the equation. If you are a fun rider then seeding is not important other than if you want to start earlier. These guys are making everyone believe that a license is a requirement for entry and participation, but will probably introduce some stupid regulation of a "Day License" (to squeeze the extra 20 Bucks) should you want to partake in an event such as the 94.7. This strategy by CSA is damaging to cycling in South Africa as a whole and not enhancing the support of sponsors for future events. Afterall Pick n Pay would not be sponsoring the 94.7 if it only had 1000 riders, nor would the city of JHB be so accomodating.

 

So in terms of me getting a license. I belong to a club purely because I always have somebody to ride with and for no other benifit,  I say STUFF IT. I will take my DOPED up ass to the start line at 9am be finished at 11am and then just what the hell are CSA going to do to me? No license no affiliation to them so I would love to see them impose a ban on me!!

 

 

[buckstopper]

I believe that an improved levy system or "pay as you ride" would be a workable compromise. By imposing a levy of, say R10 per entry, some to CSA, some to the relevant Province, would mean that a funrider who does 2 races a year pays less than one who does 10. The CSA is short of funds to implement its plans to put SA cycling where it belongs, the current contribution/levy of R2 odd is just not enough.

[The Saint]

 

Strange how all sporting organizations in South Africa are always short of funds. Hey I am also short of funds but are you giving me money for a service which you know nothing about or the benifits thereof?

 

This is just a milking process to fill the coffers of some obscure person nobody in cycling has ever heard of.

 

Just do the figures for the 94.7 - 20,000 riders on a temp License of R30 = R600,000 Grand and for what? Over and above the R250 entry fee.

 

So just from the Pick n Pay races throughout the year CSA stand to make around 3 mil - mmmmmmmmm once again I ask what benifit is derived?

 

CSA need to lay the cards on the table first and explain in detail before just implementing some ruling based on the UCI which average joe has never heard of - actually most of them have no idea who CSA is - probably think it is some sort of charity organization called Canser South Africa and will be giving the 30 bucks thinking it is going to a worthy cause which they understand.

 

MuXmAn2007-07-05 14:02:25

[buckstopper]

Check out their website www.cyclingsa.com for Lawrence whittaker's letter after the CSA Congress and details regarding establishment of commissions. I'm not saying I agree with an arbitrary imposition of a cumbersome system that sucks up funds it generates to administer. CSA gets diddly squat from the govt and not enough from the races. Somebody's got to pay and hey, you want nice roads, pay the toll...........

[The Saint]

I already pay the TOLL it's called TAX

[The Saint]

Oh and by the way the "owner" of those so called nice Toll roads is in jail

[butafly]

its funny how all of a sudden now that the controlling body of cycling in rsa want to implement a license system, cyclist want to know what they will get in return....a few years ago the ppa wanted all riders to join ppa so that they could be seeded in the argus, so matter where you lived in sa i.e. Messina to Richards Bay to Oranjemund, if you wanted to do the argus u had to be a ppa member....cant remembers any objections then. its simple if all cyclist were licensed then all regs and rules would apply to all cyclists. so if joe soap is riding like a d**S , you can report d**s to CSA and if warranted, have him discplined ie suspend his license , that means d**S can't ride anywhere in the country. but at the moment, have you ever heard of the ppa disciplining a cyclist...NO. even if they did , you just rock up at the next event and take out a unseeded number. btw (1) its people that make clubs what they are , if you think a club is not going to give you value for your money get involved in the club and make things happen. btw(2) wait until the CSA spells out the full process of licensing before jumping to conclusions. i can't wait to see where ppa pitch themselves are they going to be part of CSA as a provincial body or a glorified club under the WP Cycling.

[butafly]

Muxman - Leading candidate for 2007 worst rider award - i think you are a leading candidate for another award....most ignorant perhaps. licensing is going to happen so get with the programme.

[E1A104]

....a few years ago the ppa wanted all riders to join ppa so that they could be seeded in the argus' date=' so matter where you lived in sa i.e. Messina to Richards Bay to Oranjemund, if you wanted to do the argus u had to be a ppa member....cant remembers any objections then[/quote']

 

I beg to differ ... I saw no reason to be forced to join an organisation that caters for the cape riders when I stay in GP.

 

Still do not see the logic in being forced to join a club to get a licence. I am happy to pay the licence fee and an affiliation fee to the local body but there is no way I'm joining a club to get a licence.

 

Ignorant is accepting everything you get fed at face value, asking questions to get more information is not .....

[The Saint]

 

Muxman - Leading candidate for 2007 worst rider award - i think you are a leading candidate for another award....most ignorant perhaps. licensing is going to happen so get with the programme.

 

Now you just had to get personal didn't you? Your post above at least contributed something towards the subject unlike this one. So do me a favour either carry on contributing towards the subject and refrain from commenting on my intelligence or shut the ****up.

 

Admin I will gladly accept my ban for this. Thanks