More drawing pins at the Cradle this morning

[chris_w_65]

Regulation 296 of the National Road Traffic Regulations 2000 states: “A person driving a vehicle on a public road shall do so by driving on the left side of the roadway … .”. Driving is defined in the Act to include riding a bicycle. There is no requirement to ride on the far left of the roadway or on the shoulder. The Road Traffic Regulations impose the same obligations on a bicycle as on a motor vehicle in this regard.

 

Regulation 298(1) requires a vehicle to pass a cyclist at a “safe distance”. A safe distance depends on many factors, one of which is the vulnerability of cyclists. A safe distance would be even further under particular circumstance, such as manhole covers or uneven road, strong winds, recumbent cyclists, steep hills, tandems, children on bicycles, which factors might make it more likely for a cyclist to suddenly swerve or fall. In Europe many countries have specified a safe passing distance of 1.5 meters to pass a bicycle. That distance should be increased by any of the special factors mentioned before.

[Minion]

From PPA site

 

4.4 Cyclists may ride two or more abreast, provided that they do not impede the flow of traffic unreasonably.

I fear the government may disagree with the PPA:

(2) Persons riding pedal cycles on a public road shall ride in single file except in the course of overtaking another pedal cycle, and two or more persons riding pedal cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time.

National Road Traffic Act, Regulation 311(2)

http://www.polity.org.za/polity/govdocs/regulations/1999/roadregs10.html

[Guest Big H]

agree 100%

 

I lost a litlle bit of touch..... where did the three signs I sponsored a while ago go up eventually?

[Guest Big H]

I fear the government may disagree with the PPA:

 

National Road Traffic Act, Regulation 311(2)

http://www.polity.org.za/polity/govdocs/regulations/1999/roadregs10.html

 

Stop worrying about the nitty grittyness of the law and start thinking of ways to get the authorities to apply these laws and nail a few asses to the wall!!!!!!...... that would set some hardegatte thinking about being macho in the future!!!!!!!!

[cat-i]

a bit of compromise from a few people in the cradle, and these thread(s) won't be reaching the amount of pages they did. Is it so difficult to wait a couple of seconds, then go past.

I'd like to know, that is a quiet area in terms of traffic, how many times does it happen that cyclists actually hold up traffic, not for less than 5 seconds. Anyone?

 

a bit of compromise from the cyclists, too.

put your MTB on your bike this saturday and drive to teak place at around 8-ish.

[Captain Slow]

I lost a litlle bit of touch..... where did the three signs I sponsored a while ago go up eventually?

 

 

 

 

 

the funds were paid to the Gauteng Prov Roads Dept (in fact a total of 20 signs were paid for) and they are due to be erected around the Cradle some time soon. On average it has taken between 18 months to have signs erected. Have been following up regularly but was told to be patient. They did say that they were to first repair the shoulder on that route but I see it has been done.

 

Thanks once again for your valued contribution.

 

 

[pastapouch]

a bit of compromise from the cyclists, too.

put your MTB on your bike this saturday and drive to teak place at around 8-ish.

[Keyser Soze]

I had one, and a km later, friend i was riding with had two drawing pins in her tyre. Anyway, just let it go. People need to be educated as to the laws, and know when they have a right to rant. Maybe the bigger cycling clubs need to do a small education drive.

 

From the google: http://www.pedalpower.co.za/AboutPPA/ExecutiveCommittee/Portfolios/Commuting/Safecyclingtips/tabid/151/Default.aspx

 

What does the SA law say?

The National Traffic Act 93 of 1996 and the National Road Traffic Regulations 2000 promulgated on 17 March 2000 in Gov Gazette 20963 (as amended from time to time) includes the following bicycle-specific laws:

* You must be seated on your saddle

* You must ride in single file

* You may not deliberately swerve from side to side

* If you are riding on a public road where there is a bicycle lane, you must use that bicycle lane

 

Note:

Regulation 296 of the National Road Traffic Regulations 2000 states: “A person driving a vehicle on a public road shall do so by driving on the left side of the roadway … .”. Driving is defined in the Act to include riding a bicycle. There is no requirement to ride on the far left of the roadway or on the shoulder. The Road Traffic Regulations impose the same obligations on a bicycle as on a motor vehicle in this regard.

 

Regulation 298(1) requires a vehicle to pass a cyclist at a “safe distance”. A safe distance depends on many factors, one of which is the vulnerability of cyclists. A safe distance would be even further under particular circumstance, such as manhole covers or uneven road, strong winds, recumbent cyclists, steep hills, tandems, children on bicycles, which factors might make it more likely for a cyclist to suddenly swerve or fall. In Europe many countries have specified a safe passing distance of 1.5 meters to pass a bicycle. That distance should be increased by any of the special factors mentioned before.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Keyser Soze

[Guest Big H]

From PPA site

 

4.4 Cyclists may ride two or more abreast, provided that they do not impede the flow of traffic unreasonably.

7. Every cyclist shall keep as far to the left of the road surface as is safe having regard to the circumstances and conditions, including the need to take a lane when appropriate.

 

Taking a lane means taking a proper position in the lane as a car would

 

It is also then technically breaking the law to ride in the emergency lane/shoulder ie left of the yellow lane....... except where it is a designated cycle lane like in the Cradle. It would be stoopit to ride in a lane on the N14 though.

[scotty]

except where it is a designated cycle lane like in the Cradle. It would be stoopit to ride in a lane on the N14 though.

Me and thousands of others are going to do just that this weekend, i'll even cycle in the fast lane just for fun

[cat-i]

 

What does the SA law say?

The National Traffic Act 93 of 1996 and the National Road Traffic Regulations 2000 promulgated on 17 March 2000 in Gov Gazette 20963 (as amended from time to time) includes the following bicycle-specific laws:

* You must be seated on your saddle

* You must ride in single file

* You may not deliberately swerve from side to side

* If you are riding on a public road where there is a bicycle lane, you must use that bicycle lane

 

 

 

 

i don't think it's about right or wrong, what the law says and what not .... it's about mutual respect - from both sides.

[Monark]

I must say that here in Durban we have a cycle lane on NMR and I have quite frequently come across roadies riding 4/5 abreast which results in them spewing out into the lane designated for my truck and I... I hoot and then pass on the outside, trying to give them more space than they are entitled to.

 

Recently I have had one stop at a robot, after I had hooted, and he had a few colourful words for me. I simply responded by saying that I would wait for him to ride off from the robot so that i could run him down... my truck loves a little off roading so I never saw a hassle tackling him and his carbon stead...

 

Sadly, the minority always ruin it for the majority...

[Guest Big H]

Me and thousands of others are going to do just that this weekend, i'll even cycle in the fast lane just for fun

 

......just becuase I convinced my Buddies at SANRAL and Gautrans to allow you ........ but I hear they are not happy about the behaviour of cyclists on the road and especially in the Cradle and may revoke this favour!!!!!!!

[scotty]

......just becuase I convinced my Buddies at SANRAL and Gautrans to allow you ........ but I hear they are not happy about the behaviour of cyclists on the road and especially in the Cradle and may revoke this favour!!!!!!!

 

Thanks BigH

 

They can keep the cradle, either majority of the cyclists there are rule breaking misbehaving misfits or the residents are stuck up w (rhymes with tankers)

[leet22]

6 pages of the blame game. We all need a bit of patience .

Scenario We are allowed by law to ride in a lane. So if there are 2 guys next to each other by rights the one riding in the yellow line is breaking the law, Not the one that is holding up traffic? Whats the hassle? He is allowed to be there

I agree we all should be more tolerate towards each other but seeing the way we as humans act it will never happen.

Cyclist break the law so do drivers if each one of us cyclist or driver acted with in the law and common sense non of this will happen but as humans we all believe the world revolves around us. Good old manners have gone out the window.

[Guest Big H]

I suggest you all go to Kunjara one evening and meet the types that stay in the Cradle. Also take some black painted drawing pins with and distribute them to all as momentos.