Detox and Exercise

[Mads]

Can someone please explain to me what is the effect of detoxing the body and exercising?

 

I tried Google, but it only refers to MILD exercise. ie yoga and walking.

 

I was wondering what effect it will have on 70-80% HR ie going up a mountain or endurance

 

My question is:

 

If I have been on a week of detox, will it cause me to bonk or is the correct term crash if I do this type of exercise?

[The_Break]

It really depends on the detox program. Your body will only bonk when your glycogen (energy stored in muscles and liver) stores get depleted and there is no more energy coming from your fuel tank (stomach). So I think it is still possible to detox and allow for adequate nutrition to exercise.

 

Detox is really just eating and drinking foods without toxins and those that actually help rid the body of toxins. So choose foods that do this and still allow you to get enough energy in to exercise.

 

What have you been eating during this week?

[Mads]

I drank herbal detox pills 2 x 3 times a day - which was the maximum recommended

I am on a some sort of a watch what you eat type of diet - trying to loose some weight

If I exercise in the mornings I drink cup of coffee and take water with on my bike.

 

 

Last Friday I went for a ride with group and started sweating excessively and had absolute no power of strength. I just could not keep up. But had no problem the previous week to keep up

 

Told them to go on and battled on on my own. Was very sore(muscles) the next day.

 

Doctor could not really find any thing wrong with me and I am still wondering what happened.

 

Could the detox and all the rest be a solution or the reason?

Edited December 25, 2010 by Mads

[Capricorn]

errm. what exactly are these toxins your body needs ridding of? honestly, i'm clueless here.

[chris_w_65]

And I am not too sure how taking crap pills can get toxins out. Maybe put more in

 

Sounds similar to excercise in a bottle to me, or maybe even Powerbalance bands

 

Have you tried snake oil?

Edited December 25, 2010 by chris_w_65

[Mads]

Not something in specific - It is a matter of : Seen it in the chemist and thought well I drink coffee etc.

 

So my body can probably do with a detox.

 

I think I am actually doing more wrong than right.

[Mads]

And I am not too sure how taking crap pills can get toxins out. Maybe put more in

 

Sounds similar to excercise in a bottle to me, or maybe even Powerbalance bands

 

Have you tried snake oil?

 

 

:lol:

 

No I have not - chemist was out of stock. Do you think I must rather try that?

[Capricorn]

you've got toxins, and u need to detox, but nothing in specific? u see the dilemma? i mean, how do u choose a correct course of action if u dont know what you targetting? Coffee and by extension chocolate, are never toxins. Carry on with those

[The_Break]

Not something in specific - It is a matter of : Seen it in the chemist and thought well I drink coffee etc.

 

So my body can probably do with a detox.

 

I think I am actually doing more wrong than right.

 

Hi Mads

 

You need to understand one things very clearly. And my photo is just a joke by the way, I spent the last year cycling fulltime in the USA so have learnt the hard way over many years of sport.

 

That one thing is this: When you exercise you exercise and need fuel to exercise otherwise your body will try and shut itself down and will go into what is called survival mode whereby it slows all your systems down including your metabolism because it is unsure when it will get food again.

 

So here is my opinion on what you did wrong on that morning. You had a cup of coffee and took only water on the ride. The reason you got bad sweating was a version of the bonk and hence you lost all your power and probably had to limp on home. You need to eat when you exercise even when you are trying to loose weight. Actually, the weight loss will come with slow cycling when you heart rate is between 50-60% as this is known as your fat burning zone. When you exercise up at 70-80% you are in your carbohydrate burning zone as fat cannot be pulled fast enough fromm your body and hence only carbs (glycogen) are used. To loose weight you need to ride slower, but to stay on the bike still need a certain amount of food to go into your system or else you will bonk most often than not.

 

The trick to loosing weight is to do it consistantly by reducing your calorie intake when you are not exercising. I.e. after you have ridenn you get a recovery meal and then rather eat less for suppper and cut out the snack.

 

The detox pills whilst filled with nice detox substances like dandilion and exotic roots that will help you get rid of excess water by helping your kidneys function better are not going to help you loose weight on their own and can leave you feeling less wanting to exercise cause they have other side effects such as headaches and lethargy. Been there done that.

 

My advice is simple. And it really is as simple as this as weight loss is an energy balance. Take what you would normally eat and reduce it a tiny amount. Say 5%. If you start to loose weight with normal exercise then great. If not, take another 5% away, until you are loosing between 500g and 1000g a week. If you are already skinny say 200-500g a week. This way you keep strong for exercise and loose weight. You also keep all the good nutrients in your diet which are often taken away during dieting. You also keep eating foods you enjoy just in smaller quantities. This way you will make it easy to sustain your diet and loose weight at a healthy rate in a healthy way. When you reach your goal weight slowly start to add back until you reach an equilibrium. It will take some trial and error, but this way you will get to know your body well without taking a beating by going extreme, bonking, getting ill, being off the bike for some timme and then putting on more weight in the process. Also remember that if you have only recently started exercising you will naturally put on a kg or 2 and this is purely because you muscles are adpating and will become a bit denser. The weight will start to come off again after a few weeks and then you will see good results.

 

Trust me this when I say there is no quick way to weight loss when you want to keep it off and in a healthy way. Good luck and remember, consistency is the key to many things in life.

[Mads]

First of all thank you Break for the time and trouble you put into the reply. I honestly appreciate it

 

I am certain that you are correct. And also I think sometimes me being clever are actually me being stupid.

 

Normally... I ride at a pace slower and a less demanding route ( flatter) and I actually did start to loose weight at the rate you described - 2 kg in about a months time.

 

And drinking the detox was with no real purpose. Bought it a few months ago and used it like a vitamin supplement. With no real structure. This was not the first time I had this type of problem. It was as if I get stripped of my fitness ever so now and then.

 

Was at the doctor. Did a lot of blood tests and not any thing wrong. Actually the doctor was impressed with most of my test results ,but that did not solve my problem.

 

But the last time I decided to drink the detox pills as prescribed on the bottle continuously and only then I could see the side effects to its full effect!

 

And yes:

 

 

going extreme, bonking, getting ill, being off the bike for some time and then putting on more weight in the process.

 

Apart from not being able to keep up with the rest of the group, I started to be so sick with headaches, nausea etc. in the following days, that I could not ride at all. It was then when I started to suspect these damn detox pills.

 

I did a lot of googling in the past week, but could honestly not find a website that spelled it out in terms that I could be certain my theory is correct. And honestly ......I don't want to be clever again!

 

Do I understand it correct in my following assumption:

The detox pills cleanse ones body and in the effect the liver as well. Which means the liver gets stripped from that glycogen stuff that is supposed to be my stored energy. Therefore the loss of energy and also - in previous cases - endurance.

 

Now here is another question. If my theory is correct. How do I now fix it.

 

Obviously throw away the pills

and then??

 

Carbo loading for the first few days

Eat breakfast

Take more than water on the ride- ie Energy drink?

 

Will that be a quick solution?

Edited December 26, 2010 by Mads

[The_Break]

First of all thank you Break for the time and trouble you put into the reply. I honestly appreciate it

 

I am certain that you are correct. And also I think sometimes me being clever are actually me being stupid.

 

Normally... I ride at a pace slower and a less demanding route ( flatter) and I actually did start to loose weight at the rate you described - 2 kg in about a months time.

 

And drinking the detox was with no real purpose. Bought it a few months ago and used it like a vitamin supplement. With no real structure. This was not the first time I had this type of problem. It was as if I get stripped of my fitness ever so now and then.

 

Was at the doctor. Did a lot of blood tests and not any thing wrong. Actually the doctor was impressed with most of my test results ,but that did not solve my problem.

 

But the last time I decided to drink the detox pills as prescribed on the bottle continuously and only then I could see the side effects to its full effect!

 

And yes:

 

 

 

Apart from not being able to keep up with the rest of the group, I started to be so sick with headaches, nausea etc. in the following days, that I could not ride at all. It was then when I started to suspect these damn detox pills.

 

I did a lot of googling in the past week, but could honestly not find a website that spelled it out in terms that I could be certain my theory is correct. And honestly ......I don't want to be clever again!

 

Do I understand it correct in my following assumption:

The detox pills cleanse ones body and in the effect the liver as well. Which means the liver gets stripped from that glycogen stuff that is supposed to be my stored energy. Therefore the loss of energy and also - in previous cases - endurance.

 

Now here is another question. If my theory is correct. How do I now fix it.

 

Obviously throw away the pills

and then??

 

Carbo loading for the first few days

Eat breakfast

Take more than water on the ride- ie Energy drink?

 

Will that be a quick solution?

 

I am not saying that the detox pills are a bad thing. I used them, but I also used them during extreme dieting. I think detox has its place and also certain side effects that go along with it. Stripping your body of glycogen is not one of them. It's main effects is to help your endocrine system (kidney's and such) work more efficiently and also to help toxins get out of your system. You will notice that you normally need to drink a lot of water when you use those pills and that is what really helps. You basically flush all the bad stuff out.

 

So no, I do not believe your theory is correct. Glycogen is only stripped when you do not replace it by eating.

 

So quick fix. You need to eat some nice carbo hydrates for a day or two and get plenty of fluids in. Once you are feeling stronger (also aided by carbs as carbs give you a feeling of strength when you eat them and a feeling of weakness when you don't eat them). Once you are feeling better start riding again but have a bit to eat before the ride and eat whilst you ride. Take in energy drinks too. Like I say though, slowly drop your food intake until you loose weight as above.

 

If you would still like to detox then pic them up again after a few weeks of consistent training as I do not believe they can harm you. Personal opinion is, if you eat lots of fuit and vegetables and drink lots of water and exercise regularly you should not need detox really. Personal opinion.

 

Now go and buy yourself a nice Hawaiin pizza and have a big glass of coke to wash it down and you will feel like a new woman. My trick!

 

Good luck!

[Mads]

Thank you !!

[Capricorn]

eat lots of fuit and vegetables and drink lots of water and exercise regularly you should not need detox really.

 

Good luck!

 

now that's the best advice in this whole thread! stay off the tablets and magic potions and silver bullets, and get back to the basics of what u putting into your mouth. The body is brilliantly adaptable, just learn mroe about it, and do right by it, and it will do the rest for you. Another proper aspect to helping your body cleanse itself is decent exercise. Rises in metabolic rate helps most organs function correctly, and better.

 

eat the pizza, stay away from the coke. Rather have a juice or something.

[Mads]

The body is brilliantly adaptable, just learn more about it, and do right by it, and it will do the rest for you.

 

Actually I found that it is such a complex "machine" that stupid or ignorant people - like myself - should rather not try to understand it.

 

If one don't know what you doiing one can actually do more harm than good. And this I can tell you with a week of googling on the topic on my sleeve. Scary I tell you

 

In other words - keep it simple and keep it real.

Edited December 28, 2010 by Mads

[b-unit]

Capricorn is right on the money. What he said.

[Christopher Brunsdon]

Actually I found that it is such a complex "machine" that stupid or ignorant people - like myself - should rather not try to understand it.

 

If one don't know what you doiing one can actually do more harm than good. And this I can tell you with a week of googling on the topic on my sleeve. Scary I tell you

 

I was also into the detox scene till I saw the detox experiment on BBC where they did a detox experiment on two groups of woman - the one group did a full traditional detox diet and the other enjoyed what they wanted in moderation but still having a balanced diet.

 

The group of woman on the detox ended up being miserable bitches with no visible signs of the detox helping them in any way, the other group become more happy and healthier. Changed my whole approach to food and I've filed "detox" with "Power Balance" and The Easter Bunny.

Edited December 26, 2010 by cbrunsdon